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Black-marked duikers

  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    At least I think it's a duiker.

    There's one (maybe an individual, maybe more than one) animal that has turned up several times on both night- and daytime cameras that has a peculiar black marking on its back. I was trying to ID the exact species via wiki, but I can't find any species with this particular marking. Any ideas?

    I'll see if I can post more example videos when I come across them. The last two times I tried to ID it something bugged and I got thrown out so I didn't even fav them... it's definitely trying not to be ID'd! πŸ˜„

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Here's another, at night, of course... ACP00006xv They're pretty big! Do you remember the colouration from the daytime camera or shall we go on the hunt for a daylight video to get a better idea of what they look like?

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Yes, it was definitely red-coated with a blackish mark on the back. Can't say anything about horns or the like, sadly. It's all antelope butts!

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Here's another... I think!

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00007ow this might be a different individual, not sure

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00001sj

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  • zorglax by zorglax

    Here is it again:

    ACP0000ejr

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    Red-flanked duiker (Cephalophus rufilatus)?
    let me know your opinions πŸ˜‰

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    That would be an individual with a very sharply bordered coloration. I couldn't see any pictures on a cursory image search that are even close to this sharp, but I suppose it's possible?

    I guess we'll have to find more and see if it's just one, or several individuals. (And hunt those day-time pictures!)

    πŸ˜‰

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    If the dark stripe didn't widen so much on the rump...

    Bay Duiker: http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Cephalophus_dorsalis.html

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    thank you Quia,

    the night videos are really difficult...letΒ΄s see if someone finds a day one.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    ACP0000ecc

    Another night video, but at a different angle, showing off the black stripe all the way up the back and neck. From this angle it looks very similar to the Bay Duiker.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Found a more exhaustive description of the Bay Duiker that seems to match with our funny black-backed images! My highlight on the particularly relevant bit.

    A medium-sized, heavily built duiker with a coarse coat and a somewhat porcine visage. The general color is bright chestnut red with lighter underparts, a sharply defined black dorsal band, a blackish midline on the belly, and brownish black legs. There is much individual variation in the extent of the black markings and in the intensity of the black coloration. The dorsal band usually begins at the top of the neck and ends at the tail, but in some specimens it extends from nose to tail with a break between the horns, and in others it may be indistinct or absent on neck and shoulders. In some individuals the black of the dorsal band spreads out on the lower back and rump, or may spread over the shoulders to connect with the legs. The tail is black with a pronounced white tuft. The head is brown, with a lighter stripe above the eyes. Lips and chin are white. Head tuft is absent or poorly developed. The muzzle is short and strongly tapered. Ears are brownish black on the back, whitish inside. Inguinal (groin) glands are present. Bay duikers are entirely dark at birth, the chestnut color and black markings developing after several months. The horns (both sexes) are round, slender spikes that are lightly ringed at the base and grow backward in the plane of the face. Females are larger than males, with slimmer horns, a narrower dorsal stripe, and less extensive black markings.

    On that note, the places I'm finding information while looking up african wildlife are... different. Tossup whether or not they'll be ecology conservation sites or hunting sites or sometimes both.

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Sounds likely then! I have one here http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00003v7 that is similar but has no distinct spot on the back. So I'm willing to buy that classification, still going to look for more videos though πŸ˜ƒ

    ETA: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00005gk seems like somewhere between the two. Getting more and more likely.

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  • anocan by anocan

    This looks like him, too.

    ACP00009kw

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0000ajn

    Similar markings, good view of the entire length of the stripe, but maybe not wide enough on the rump to be the same animal?

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0000b1r

    Not the best view, but stripe appears broad.

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP00003iv

    The very next video - this could be him by daylight.

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  • glashelder by glashelder

    ACP00007f8

    A marked duiker with a baby πŸ˜ƒ

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0000axd

    Another nighttime video.

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  • glashelder by glashelder

    The Bay duiker is under Red duiker in the field guide, by the way:

    Use this option to mark small to medium duikers with chestnut-red fur; for example: the bush duiker which is small and reddish-brown, or the Bay duiker, notable for its red body colour and black stripe down its back. Like other duikers, they have arched backs,stocky bodies and slender legs.

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0000cj1

    I haven't seen a single chimp for hours, all I get are marked red duikers!

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP00007o9

    Here are mother and baby again. Baby is ahead of mum and a bit difficult to see. Watch for its eyes towards the end of the video.

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  • DZM by DZM admin

    Are all of these being seen at Quiet Wood?

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  • anocan by anocan

    All mine are from Quiet Wood. The list is currently:

    ACP00009kw
    ACP0000ajn
    ACP0000b1r
    ACP00003iv
    ACP0000axd
    ACP0000cj1
    ACP00007o9

    Update: Another one. It never ends: ACP00004f6.

    And: ACP0000031

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00003co I think that's one as well, though the mark isn't so clear here.

    All of the specimens in my collection are from Quiet Wood so far: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/collections/CCPS00005o

    ETA: If this one ACP000060z is one of them, it has a nice portrait closeup πŸ˜ƒ But the mark is rather fuzzy on that specific duiker, so I'm not 100% sure that it should belong in the group.

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  • anocan by anocan

    Here's a sighting in Cool Silence:

    ACP0002b9w

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  • Ozro by Ozro

    Is the black area on the back an actual "mark" . i.e.. human created, natural to the species, or unique to the particular animal????

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  • anocan by anocan

    Mother and baby again:

    ACP00007ir

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Here's one from Cool Silence: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0002bpn

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Nice collection growing here! The babies are neat to see, Bay Duiker young are born completely dark, and grow into their pretty red coats and black stripes. Makes sense for a largely nocturnal species, so much easier to hide!

    @Ozro the black area is a natural marking, the species has a black stripe down the back that has quite a bit of variation between individuals, it may or may not widen at the shoulders or rump, and may or may not go all the way up the shoulders-neck-head.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Here's another one at Cool Silence 5, ACP0002b3r Night, but a nice view from back of the head to rump.

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    good morning Quia πŸ˜‰
    red-flanked duikers are a little bit smaller than bay duikers and have a black nose...
    if it was a red-flanked duiker, it should be bright orange red on face, neck and flanks...I go for bay duiker.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Good morning! 1am here. πŸ˜‰

    Thanks for your input. I've also found this confusing species with it's multilple subspecies all with different colours of legs and tails and length of black stripes! It definitely isn't the titular duiker in this thread, but might apply to some of the other black-marked duikers we're finding. http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Cephalophus_ogilbyi.html

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  • anocan by anocan

    Here are red duikers with completely black backs:

    ACP00004ez
    ACP00004dy

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  • anocan by anocan

    Is this a shadow or a very peculiar rump colouring?

    ACP00001wb

    Edit: Oh! I found a very similar looking one a few minutes later: Are those the yellow-backed duikers (see under Dark Duikers) described in the field guide?

    ACP00008xa

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  • anocan by anocan

    Black-marked duikers again:

    ACP000024n
    ACP0000cij

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl in response to anocan's comment.

    Yes, as far as I understand that the light triangle on the rump is the yellow-backed duiker.

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  • DZM by DZM admin

    This thread needs more scientist input! πŸ˜ƒ

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Finally I spotted one of them in daylight! ACP0002og1 Not the widest mark, but quite distinct top stripe anyway.

    duiker

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  • Quia by Quia moderator in response to jokergirl's comment.

    With a paler underbelly, and the stripe stopping before the tail, this might actually be a Brooke's duiker. πŸ˜‰ One of the subspecies of Cephalophus ogilbyi that I linked to earlier. There are a small handful of species that have the dorsal black stripe.

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0002bqm

    This one has a strange white stripe down the side as well as a black stripe along the back.

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  • anocan by anocan

    ACP0002b4v

    Nice view of black-backed mother and child.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator in response to anocan's comment.

    I wonder if that white mark is a scar?

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  • yshish by yshish moderator in response to Quia's comment.

    It could be!

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Here's a nice shot of definitely not a bay duiker, the stripe's too narrow and it doesn't go up the the back of the neck.

    ACP0002ko9

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  • kerebeth by kerebeth

    I have seen a few of these black-marked duikers (with the black stripe down the back, widening above the tail). Is there a consensus on what they are? Are we saying it is not a bay duiker? Would it be coded as a red duiker?

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    They are all coded as red duikers. It's a catch all category, a lot of the red-coated duikers are very hard to tell apart, especially since they don't always show off from all angles!

    The ones with the stripe widening above the tail are Bay Duikers, Cephalophus dorsalis. The stripe goes from the back of the head and all the way down the tail, and can, but doesn't have to, widen on the rump above the tail. It's also nocturnal, so the most noticeable thing about it is that black stripe, since we can't see its lovely red coat.

    There are a number of other species that have black stripes down the back! We've got a couple so far in this discussion, but the bay seems to be the most numerous.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    Well I just got a video to watch that I really wasn't expecting! I got the individual with the white stripe, a few weeks earlier, and in better light! She kindly turns around to show that the white mark is only on one side, making it even more likely that it's an old injury of some kind. You can sort of see the hair around the white line is irregular.

    ACP0002ba1

    It's also a gorgeous video for trying to ID the species, I'll see what I can do a bit later today. πŸ˜ƒ

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  • kerebeth by kerebeth

    Thanks, Quia!. I hadn't realised there were 5 pages of discussion on this topic (must stop reading on my phone). πŸ˜‰

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