Chimp & See Talk

Anganeta, Alia and Amelia

  • Quia by Quia moderator

    This tree seems like a very popular place, there is another discussion for this fellow: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000h/discussions/DCP00001h9 I think the chimp there is different from these three, he(?) has a very straight brow.

    ACP0003dwy - juvenile tool user, very pronounced dip in the brow. A younger juvenile hanging off to the side

    ACP0003dwz Adult female, probably the mother of the small one.

    ACP0003dx0 She's taking the tool using juvenile's cracked nuts!

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    A young chimp walks around a bit while another hides in the foliage nearby:

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dq3

    one

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003da0

    one

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    I think this is the youngest of the #RWFemale02 trio! This video is two days after that the original sighting, they might be regular visitors of this spot.

    More videos from this sequence confirm it's the same group.

    ACP0003dq2 The older sibling(?) is here, too.

    ACP0003dpx Youngest on the left, Mom still refuses to look at the camera.. and again snatches food from the older juvenile!

    ACP0003dpy ACP0003dpz ACP0003dq0 ACP0003dq1 ACP0003dq4 ACP0003dq5 ACP0003dq6 ACP0003dq7 ACP0003dq8 ACP0003dq9

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  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

    Hi @DataDroid, this looks like a kid to me! Younger individuals tend to have lighter faces + hands than adults do (although not always!), and are smaller in size than are adults.

    Another helpful hint (but not always a rule) is how intact the ears are! This youngster's ears look perfectly intact! Adults tend to accumulate tears and scars over the years as they get older, although some lucky adults sneak by more or less untouched. 😃

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    Ah, thanks. I guess I didn't have enough size cues here to be sure, so I'll make sure to look out for those other cues you mentioned. At what point (approximately) would one consider a chimp to be an adult vs a juvenile?

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Hi @DataDroid -
    Chimpanzee age classifications go roughly as follows:
    0-5 yrs--infant;
    5-10--juvenile;
    10-15ish--subadult;
    15 and older--adult

    So they don't reach adulthood fully until around the age of 13-15ish, but they start to lose the infantile features like the pale face and the little white tuft on their rump slowly during the course of being juveniles and subadults. Hope that helps!

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    Thanks. For purposes of classification here, should anything below adult be considered "youth" then?

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  • starrypawz by starrypawz

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    Video link http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpw
    Two juveniles, second one is just behind the first, slightly obscured by vegetation
    Second one is banging on something

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  • MingMing by MingMing

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dwa
    Possibly the same individual as RW Juvenile. It's the same spot just 20 minutes earlier than the other video.

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  • Tykelass by Tykelass

    This is the same scene - one chimp in the foreground and another in the background which is the one that's making most of the noise - using a stone to crack something maybe?
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dwj

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  • lauraklynn by lauraklynn moderator

    Same family of 3 again, 2 days later ...I think. Adult takes the juvenile's nuts again

    video ACP0003dpu

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  • MimiA by MimiA scientist, moderator

    @Quia and @DataDroid. I agree I think its a match for these three indivduals, Let us just wait for Giulia to confirm, but in case we are right

    Quia, can you propose a name for the mom?
    Datadroid can you propose a name the infant?

    And I will leave the naming of the juvenile open to everyone, first come first serve. Make sure to check this list since every chimp needs a unique name! http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000i/discussions/DCP00001dp

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    I'd be honored. Does the infant have a known gender?

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  • MimiA by MimiA scientist, moderator

    Not that I can tell

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    It's a girl I think. Such a flattering picture! 😃 ACP0003dq6

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    Then I'd like to name her for my infant daughter Amelia.

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    I can follow that theme! Not daughter, but grandmother. 😃 Anganeta

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  • MimiA by MimiA scientist, moderator

    Giulia, Erin, Maureen, correct me if I am wrong but I think at this age the little females have no swelling, what you see here is the infant"s white butt tuft which both males and females have. But good educated guess! We will keep these names and need one more!

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    The full sequence from 2013-09-11 seems to span from ACP0003doq to ACP0003dqp inclusive.

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  • dayiel by dayiel

    ACP0003da1 could that be the older sibling of the trio? there is some stone beating sound in the back?

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  • Giulia_Sirianni by Giulia_Sirianni scientist

    Hi there,

    yes, I agree with the match! we finally identified the first chimps, congratulations!! I just posted the familuy in the "known" chimps page.

    I am still waiting for a name for the juvenele!!!

    great job!

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    If we're going by the theme, then I'd like to nominate Antonia! Or Alia? Pick whichever you like best.

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  • aquitanian by aquitanian

    Could http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0002udh be RWJuv02 as well? I really like Alia as name 😃

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  • Giulia_Sirianni by Giulia_Sirianni scientist

    Ok, let's name RWJuv02 Alia!!!

    thanks!

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  • jokergirl by jokergirl

    Awesome!

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  • parsfan by parsfan

    ACP0003dwh

    Possibly #RWJuvenile01 or 02?
    Tool-user

    Other chimp cracking nuts in background, not really visible.

    Other vids:
    ACP0003dw0
    ACP0003dw1
    ACP0003dw2
    ACP0003dw3
    ACP0003dw4
    ACP0003dwa
    ACP0003dwb
    ACP0003dwc
    ACP0003dwd
    ACP0003dwe
    ACP0003dwf
    ACP0003dwg
    ACP0003dwi
    ACP0003dwj
    ACP0003dwk
    ACP0003dwl

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  • ksigler by ksigler moderator

    Currently, RWJuvenile 01 & RWJuvenile 02 are tagged as being part of this family, yet they are still listed separately as prospective individuals in the main id thread. Just want to be sure, are RWJ01 & 02 now known or still unmatched? Thanks!

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    seems to be a new video of the three because there was no entry in talk so far Anganeta using a tool

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  • Astro_Max by Astro_Max

    Red water 06. Seems like a female possibly juvenile, similar in facial colour and general demeanor as Alia. Shot is a little foggy so its hard to make out but "she" does look up at the camera. Thanks.

    ACP0003dnt video

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I have tagged the videos with the names you have chosen. If anyone finds other video from these 3 chimps, feel free to tag it.

    Thanks you all 😉

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi @Boleyn,
    you are right, is a video from Anganeta and Amelia (? I can´t see very well because is behind the vegetation but is this family).
    Great!

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  • DataDroid by DataDroid moderator

    Thanks @PaulDG !

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  • DZM by DZM admin

    Great find, @Boleyn !!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    hi @parsfan

    yes, is RWJuvenile02 now called Alia, and around her there must be her family, Anganeta (female, adult) and Amelia (infant).
    Great match!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi MingMing and Tykelass,
    yes, this chimp is RWJuvenile02, now called #Alia, and you can hear the noise of other chimpanzee, Anganeta, cracking a nut.
    Good job!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    this is @DataDroid

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Nice find @starrypawz,
    this little is Amelia, and the other one probably be Anganeta or Alia, the other two members of this family.

    You can see the whole family in the videos of this serie:
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpv http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpu http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpt http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dps
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpr http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003dpq

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi @Astro_Max,

    yes is Alia, great match!

    here the thread with the whole scene 😃

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000h/discussions/DCP00003e2

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  • Astro_Max by Astro_Max

    Cool! Starting to get the hang of it. Thanks for the response and the link, I appreciate it.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Astro_Max's comment.

    thanks to you!.
    I am going to merge this conversation with all the conversations we've had about Anganeta, Alia and Amelia, ok? 😉

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  • parsfan by parsfan

    ACP0003dqg

    Gathers up some objects in her arms and walks away.

    ACP0003dqf tool-use

    ACP0003dqe carrying objects and food

    enter image description here

    Alia?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Yes! great find!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003d93
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003d95
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003d97
    http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003d99

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  • Quia by Quia moderator

    I think you are right, that definitely looks like Alia to me, and the size is right for Amelia, hard to see her face while she's climbing up in the trees!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I guess, I should move my post to here. Did we see her before? It might be #Alia. But I base it more on prospective age and the tree she is usually hanging around.

    ACP0003d9r
    ACP0003d9z (@tsering suggested it might be #Alia)
    More from the series: ACP0003d9q, ACP0003da0, ACP0003da1 and ACP0003d9y
    And here: ACP0003daa, ACP0003dab, ACP0003dac

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    yes! look this photos:

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    one

    Great!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I am going to merge this thread with the thread "Anganeta, Alia and Amelia", ok?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    AnLand realized that this chimp is Alia

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I am going to merge this thread with the thread "Anganeta, Alia and Amelia". Thanks!

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  • parsfan by parsfan

    ACP0003dym I think #Alia again? SHe is near the camera in the subsequent 3 clips, but not in sight...

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I guess, we still do not have a solution (confirmation or rejection) here. Video came along again. Would be nice to have a say from the science team.

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Is this infant Amelia: ACP0003dau ?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi parsfan and AnLand , yes they are Alia and Amelia. Thanks! 😃

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Further videos: ACP0003dpm (Alia and Anganeta) and only Anganeta: ACP0003dpk (well in the already mentioned sequences)

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Here Anganeta and Amelia: ACP0003dpn

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Yes they are!!! thanks a lot

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  • lauraklynn by lauraklynn moderator

    I asked this in its own discussion, but I'll cross post here: Is this the same family?http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000h/discussions/DCP000058k

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