**MF7Juv01, Juv02, Juv05, Juv11, Juv13**

• by lauraklynn moderator

  The videos are taken over a year apart, but the individuals look very similar
  

  

  Video ACP0003t3y

  Posted May 15, 2015 9:14 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hi @Lauraklynn,

  your juvenile has white spots on the face, and I am not totally sure that it´s a match. For the moment it is more important to find good videos and pictures where you can see clear traits than to find matches. And this is a very good one!. For the moment let´s call him/her MF7Juv11.
  Thanks!!

  Posted May 18, 2015 4:58 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  No problem. I know identifying individuals is difficult.

  Posted May 19, 2015 1:10 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  @NuriaM: I found some more videos from that scene and tagged them all with MFJuv01. I just discovered afterwards that you took the juvenile as two different ones. Shall I change it and where should I do the cut (as in time)? Not really better pictures than before. This might be the best:

  

  from this video: ACP0004tcd

  Posted May 19, 2015 12:45 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  Then there is also MFJuv05 in the middle of that same scene: ACP0004tcj (I guess it's better when you sort that out yourself.)

  Posted May 19, 2015 12:51 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  😉...it´s crazy, isn´t it?

  juveniles are VERY difficult to match, especially when you can´t see the face clearly and the gender is so hard to determine (or impossible!).
  In most of the cases, our only tool is the time stamp, and this is the criterion that I chose to name these guys. According to the time stamp, the sequence would be:

  1. ACP0004tbz : the chimp comes and sits on a trunk (Juv02)
  2. ACP0004tbv : the chimp comes and sits on a trunk...there is a 6 minute difference between video 1 and 2, and many things can happen in 6 minutes, besides, you must take into account that it MIGHT be a large group with more juveniles coming and going.
  3. ACP0004tbw: the chimp is still on the trunk, and at the end of the video he/she leaves, and there is no time difference between video 2 and 3, so I assume that these two guys are the same one (Juv01)
  4. ACP0004tcd : the chimp is on the trunk and leaves (the chimp in the video before had already gone). There is a 1 minute time difference between video 3 and 4.

  If we HAD to match all the chimps, I would take a risk and say that these guys are the same one (they have too very similar faces), but for the moment it is more important to create a list with nice pictures.
  I will name your find (ACP0004tbd) Juv13 but still I will write that it might be a match to Juv01 and Juv02...would it be ok for you?

  This is being a brain storm!!

  Thank you again.

  Posted May 20, 2015 8:25 AM

• by Quia moderator

  Dug out the whole sequence! This is in order, with each block being a single 60 second recording, including only the videos that have a chimp in them. In this sequence we have Juv01, 02, 05 and 13. Or just one! I don't know yet, I haven't tried to match up the features shown in each short sequence, but having all the recordings separated out should help. S/he is rather restless!

  ACP0004tbz - enters
  
  ACP0004tc0
  
  ACP0004tc1
  
  ACP0004tc2

  ACP0004tc5 - enters
  
  ACP0004tc6
  

  ACP0004tbv - enters
  
  ACP0004tbw - leaves

  ACP0004tcj - starts near camera
  
  ACP0004tck
  
  ACP0004tcl
  
  ACP0004tcm - leaves

  ACP0004tcb
  
  ACP0004tcc
  
  ACP0004tcd - leaves

  ACP0004tc7 - starts near camera
  
  ACP0004tc8
  
  ACP0004tc9
  
  ACP0004tca

  Posted May 20, 2015 1:14 PM

• by AnLand moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

  Yes, of course and in that last video: ACP0004tca from @Quia 's collection you hear a second chimp using a hammer. So there are at least two of them around at this moment.

  Posted May 20, 2015 5:52 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hi guys...

  hmmm...to me they all look the same!! they are actually too far away to say. But still here is what I decided to do (comments and opinions are very welcome!!)

  I hashtagged these videos: ACP0004tc0, ACP0004tc1 and ACP0004tc2 as MF7Juv02 as this is a whole sequence and the juvenile is of course assumed to be the same one (unless he/she has developed a teleportation ability).

  These two ones: ACP0004tc5 and ACP0004tc6 I consider that it´s a new one (I checked ACP0004tc3 and ACP0004tc4 hopping that it might be a Juv02 entire sequence, but they are empty 😭 ). But still his/her traits are not visible so I added them to the chimps list document. But not to the prospective chimps list.

  I hashtagged ACP000tcb and ACP000tcc as MF7Juv13.

  And this last sequence: ACP0004tc7, ACP0004tc8, ACP0004tc9 and ACP0004tca starts one minute after the last sequence (ACP0004tc6) is over...so I considered him/her a new one, but without visible traits we cannot add the videos to the prospective chimps list, but to the chimps list document.

  Any suggestions?

  I am sorry that we are now very strict with matching, but it is really risky to assure that two chimps are the same one with such a video quality and especially when they are so far away that we cannot see well the traits.

  you are being very helpful 😉

  Thank you!!!!

  Posted May 21, 2015 8:48 AM

• by Quia moderator

  Agreed they look the same, but also that they're so far away that it'd be really hard to tell if there were differences! Though, she has a pretty impressive head of hair, I think it's her(?) most distinct feature in all of these. I've gathered up the best views from each of the 6 sequences, it should be helpful for trying to find a match in other videos.

  MF7Juv02 ACP0004tbz
  
  

  No face visible in ACP0004tc5 or ACP0004tc6

  MF7Juv01 ACP0004tbw
  
  

  MF7Juv05 ACP0004tcl
  
  

  MF7Juv13 ACP0004tcd
  
  

  ACP0004tca
  
  

  Posted May 21, 2015 11:12 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Thanks @Quia! this is going to be very helpful 😉

  Posted May 22, 2015 7:43 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  Here is more of MF7Juv11 (almost positive this time). Same location a few minutes later:
  
  Video: ACP0003t3e

  Posted May 28, 2015 4:01 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hi @Lauraklynn,

  hmmm...these two guys look certainly very similar. But if you check this sequence:

  ACP0003t3z : this video finnishes at 09:52:08 with the chimp leaving.

  ACP0003t3e : and this one starts at 10:08:02

  as you can see, it´s 16 minutes difference, and besides the chimp leaves. It means that another juvenile is very likely to come on the scene afterwards...their faces look slightly different to me too: the second chimp ( ACP0003t3e ) lacks some white spots on his/her face, don´t you think so?

  I don´t know, maybe we could ask for more opinions...

  Sorry I am so meticulous 😦 !!

  Posted May 28, 2015 6:42 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hi again...

  one of the scientists believes that you are right, he/ she might be the same one... 😉

  Posted May 28, 2015 8:51 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  I understand wanting to be meticulous. If they are the same, that's awesome, but I'm not offended if they aren't. I think #MF7juv01, #MF7juv02 and #MF7juv11 may all be the same individual, but I'm not confident enough to say for sure without more video.

  Posted May 28, 2015 3:15 PM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  I tracked down more videos, all from this location on 12-10-2013:

  09:49:58-09:50:13 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t35

  09:50:13-09:50:28 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t37

  09:50:28-09:50:53 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3b

  09:51:09-09:51:23 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3u

  09:51:24-09:51:38 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3w

  09:51:39-09:51:53 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3y

  09:51:54-09:52:08 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3z

  09:56:11-09:56:26 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3o

  09:56:26-09:56:41 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3p

  09:56:41-09:56:56 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3q

  09:56:56-09:57:11 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3r

  10:07:47- 10:08:02 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t39

  10:08:03-10:08:17 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3e

  10:08:17-10:08:32 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3h

  10:08:32-10:08:47 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3j

  There are still gaps in the footage and not all the videos contain chimps, but it appears the individual in ACP0003t3y and the one in ACP0003t39 both have the same mark/scar on their behinds (above and slightly left of center). Hoping this helps confirm them as the same individual.

  Posted June 5, 2015 12:13 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  Screen shot from ACP0003t3y

  and ACP0003t39
  

  Posted June 5, 2015 12:26 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hi @lauraklynn,

  great job!!

  I hashtagged them as MF7Juv11 😉

  Although it´s not a match because it´s the same video sequence, your information is very useful...

  Thanks!!

  Posted June 5, 2015 6:18 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  Not positive, but I followed the sequence back from the video posted under #mf7juv13 (ACP0004tcd) and found ACP0004tc7, which shows this juvenile with what looks like it may be the same mark on its behind:
  

  The video is actually tagged as #mf7juv01

  Posted June 5, 2015 6:38 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  wow, this one is hard to tell...

  Posted June 5, 2015 6:57 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  Just to check:we are talking here about MF7Juv01, MF7Juv02, MF7Juv11, and MF7Juv13, right? And the mark is the light spot on the left upper corner? I think they all have the same facial features including lots of dark hair and right body size. But I am biased, I already tagged them all as the same earlier by accident.

  Posted June 5, 2015 7:05 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Exactly, these four guys are thought to be the same one:

  ACP0004tbv (MF7Juv01): 2014-01-09

  ACP0004tbz (MF7Juv02): 2014-01-09

  ACP0003t3y (MF7Juv11): 2013-12-10

  ACP0004tcd (MF7Juv13): 2014-01-09

  ...but we need more opinions...

  Posted June 5, 2015 8:57 AM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  I don't know the best place to put this, so I figured I would start a new post. I found as many videos as I could from this location on 1/9/2014 and put them in order by time stamp (if anyone finds any more, let me know and I can add them). I also included the tags they are currently labeled with and if the individual leaves the camera during the clip. There are still a few gaps here and there so we can't be sure, but I think most if not all of these are the same individual, probably going to retrieve more nuts/food to crack open:

  juv02 15:51:19-15:51:34 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tbz

  juv02 15:51:34-15:51:49 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc0

  juv02 15:51:50-15:52:04 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc1

  juv02 15:52:04-15:52:19 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc2

  no chimp 15:52:41-15:52:56 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc3

  no chimp 15:52:56-15:53:11 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc4

  juv01 15:53:11-15:53:26 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc5
  (enter camera left)

  juv01 15:53:26-15:53:41 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc6

  juv01 15:57:31-15:57:46 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tbv

  juv01 15:57:46-15:58:01 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tbw
  (leaves camera right)

  no chimp 15:58:01-15:58:16 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tbx

  no chimp 15:58:16-15:58:31 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tby

  juv05 15:59:06-16:59:21 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcj

  juv05 15:59:21-15:59:36 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tck

  juv05 15:59:36-15:59:51 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcl

  juv05 15:59:51-16:00:06 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcm
  (leaves camera right)

  juv13 16:00:27-16:00:42 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcb

  juv13/01 16:00:42-16:01:57 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcc

  juv13/01 16:00:57-16:01:12 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tcd
  (leaves camera left)

  no chimp 16:01:12-16:01:27 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tce

  juv01 16:01:38-16:01:52 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc7

  juv01 16:01:53-16:02:07 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc8

  juv01 16:02:08-16:02:22 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tc9

  juv01 16:02:23-16:02:37 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004tca

  Posted June 5, 2015 8:34 PM

• by lauraklynn moderator

  Just fyi: I started a new discussion with as many of the videos from the 1/9/2014 sequence as I could find listed in order: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000j/discussions/DCP000067s

  Posted June 5, 2015 8:47 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Wow!! great job!

  thanks 😉

  Posted June 9, 2015 8:17 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  😉

  Posted June 9, 2015 8:21 AM

• by ksigler moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

  Wasn't some of this already discussed here? http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000j/discussions/DCP0000509

  I haven't seen the full sequences for all these clips, but would definitely vote for Juv01 & Juv02 being the same. Juv11 & Juv13 - not sure about yet. To me, Juv13 looks different than the others. And the older clip with Juv11... I'm curious whether those facial lumps are just temporary, like insect bites, or if they are actual permanent facial features.

  Posted June 9, 2015 12:58 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  I copied this and then updated it a bit

  no chimp 09:49:58-09:50:13 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t35 off camera tool use (this is a start video, but I don't know what triggered it)

  no chimp 09:50:13-09:50:28 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t37 off camera tool use

  no chimp 09:50:28-09:50:43 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3b off camera tool use

  no chimp 09:50:43-09:50:58 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3f off camera tool use

  MF7Juv11 09:51:09-09:51:23 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3u (start video)

  MF7 Juv11 09:51:24-09:51:38 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3w

  MF7Juv11 09:51:39-09:51:53 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3y

  MF7Juv11 09:51:54-09:52:08 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3z exits to the right at 9:52:07

  juvenile and adult 09:56:11-09:56:26 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3o (start video) juvenile starts center frame, adult enters from left @ 9:56:13. Adult exits right at 9:56:23

  juvenile 09:56:26-09:56:41 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3p exits right at 9:56:28

  no chimp 09:56:41-09:56:56 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3q off camera tool use

  no chimp 09:56:56-09:57:11 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3r off camera tool use

  MF7Juv11 10:07:47- 10:08:02 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t39 (start video)

  MF7Juv11 10:08:03-10:08:17 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3e

  MF7Juv11 10:08:17-10:08:32 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3h (exits to right at 10:08:25)

  no chimp 10:08:32-10:08:47 http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0003t3j

  Posted July 2, 2015 5:39 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  thanks @jwidness!

  see here:

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000j/discussions/DCP00006fy

  in the last page of that discussion...what do you think?

  Posted July 3, 2015 8:30 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  This whole thread is so confusing, I'm not sure what to think. But I did find three more videos (pulled from the spreadsheet) that go at the end of 1/9/2014, after Juv02/Juv01/Juv05/Juv13.
  
  ACP0004tb3
  
  ACP0004tb6
  
  ACP0004tb7
  

  In the second video, it appears that the same spot on the bum is there, although it's hard to see in the preview:
  
  

  Posted July 8, 2015 3:47 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  yes, you are right...this thread is getting very confusing.

  We must clear this out at some point 😉

  I decided that Juv01, Juv02, Juv05 and Juv13 are the same individual in the same video sequence, and they are a match to Juv11

  If no one disagrees, @jwidness , would you like to propose a name?

  and about your three last ones, I am almost sure that they belong to the same sequence...

  Posted July 8, 2015 10:42 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  @NuriaM: Shouldn't we not @lauraklynn at least give a chance to propose a name? If I remember right, it was her proposal and I thought, you are kind of strict with this rule ...

  Posted July 8, 2015 10:48 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  I absolutely agree with you, in fact I proposed her already ( see http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000j/discussions/DCP00006fy 4th page), but it´s been a while since she is not around...

  but let´s wait until Friday if you like... 😉

  @jwidness , is it ok?

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:03 AM

• by AnLand moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

  She was here last week and we can just shoot her a message. That worked with Boleyn ... And in the end, we let her wait quite a while.

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:05 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  I already did it 13 days ago...but I will do it again, in case she missed it (it happens sometimes with the private e-mails here, they might not arrive 😦 ).

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:12 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  I would be happy to wait a bit and see if she responds 😃

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:14 AM

• by AnLand moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

  Ah, ok. Sorry. I did not know that.

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:14 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  thank you @jwidness 😃

  Posted July 8, 2015 11:15 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Well Friday came and went, so I thought I'd give this guy a name : )
  
  If/when @lauraklynn comes back, I'd be more than happy to give her my next naming rights!

  First, I'd like to say that although I've put in quite a bit of time working on chimp IDs, I don't think I did anything like the majority of the work in this very complicated case. I think most of the credit should go to @lauraklynn, @NuriaM, @AnLand, @Quia, and @ksigler -- good work guys!

  Second, although I am a moderator, I've been with Chimp and See for quite a bit less time than many of the others, and I still am excited to have the honor of naming a chimpanzee, so thank you!

  Finally, as I think this young one is a boy (and I'm giving myself at least 50/50 odds on that 😛), I'd like to name him Link.

  Posted July 12, 2015 12:16 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  hey @jwidness ...Link is a beautiful name, thanks!!!

  I think we all make a wonderful working team (and you come with the package 😃 ). We work hard and with respect to each other, but mostly with passion to animals and nature, and you are making an enormous contribution...

  Thank you all for such a commitment...

  Posted July 13, 2015 8:56 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Should these three ( ACP0004tb3, ACP0004tb6, ACP0004tb7) be tagged Link as well? The first one starts just 15 seconds after the last video ID'd as Link, and the second one has him returning after being out of frame for about 45 seconds, but with the same dot on the bum upon returning. The third one is a bit more circumstantial as no traits are visible and a few minutes have passed....

  Posted July 13, 2015 2:54 PM

• by ksigler moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  So glad this is settled!! 😃 Is Link for Lancelot Link? I used to love that show when I was a kid.

  Posted July 13, 2015 3:31 PM

• by jwidness moderator in response to ksigler's comment.

  I'm going to reveal myself as a huge nerd -- hopefully no one judges me too much 😉
  
  He's named for Link from the Legend of Zelda (also where I took the name Zelda for a previous chimp I named).
  
  I'd never heard of Lancelot Link, and while I do not approve of chimps in entertainment (see http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0022050 among other reasons), a kids' show from the Get Smart guys does sound fun and an appropriate source for a name 😃

  Posted July 13, 2015 3:55 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  hi @jwidness ,

  I agree with you that this juvenile is probably Link, but the gaps between the videos and the fact that its traits are not really visible, bother me.

  I would leave it, but still write an annotation on the spreadsheet, agree?

  Posted July 14, 2015 7:49 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Sounds good, though someone already beat me to the spreadsheet 😃

  Posted July 14, 2015 3:34 PM

• by ksigler moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  Hahah, you're not the only nerd. 😉 I actually thought of the game first, but then remembered the show and didn't suspect your nerdiness. Anyway, yes, I know what you mean about the entertainment industry. Especially after seeing the beautiful wildlife (primates, elephants, cats, etc.) actually in the wild through this project, it's very clear where they belong.

  Posted July 14, 2015 5:36 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  ...sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about 😉

  at this moment we are in a `bake your princess cake-make up your monster high doll´ computer games phase at home :-p

  Posted July 15, 2015 9:50 AM