Big males
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by jwidness moderator
I'm collecting my thoughts on the possible matches for the big males we have here at crimson dew. Most of this is repeat information, but just gathered together in one place, so this is really more of a team effort -- thanks to everyone who found videos and wrote previous posts! 😃
First, I'll link to all the posts so far that deal with big males:
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009by (discussing ACP0004vbi/j, CDMale01, and ACP0004zr0/1)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009l2 ( ACP00054u7/8 and ACP0005ecf)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009fm ( ACP0004zoc/d)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009dg ( ACP0005exx)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP0000968 ( ACP0005eix)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP000092y (CDMale01)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP000090s (Ralph)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009nx ( ACP0005e8s/t/u/v - Ralph?)
http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009ix ( ACP00054hk/l and ACP0005ece/f - Ralph?)Then I'll link videos and images with ok to good views of big males:
ACP0004vbi and ACP0004vbj (CDMale04):
ACP0004zr0 (1st male, 5th chimp, CDMale01a):
ACP0004zr1 (last male in sequence with ACP0004zr0, CDMale04a):
ACP0004zoc and ACP0004zod (CDMale03):
ACP0005e5f and ACP0005e5g (sorry for terrible preview):
ACP0005acj, ACP0005ack, ACP0005acl, ACP0005acm (CDMale01):
ACP00054mf, ACP00054mg, ACP00054mh, ACP00054mi:
same male:
ACP00054u7 and ACP00054u8:
first male (CDMale05):
second male (seen on the left in the previous image, CDMale06):
ACP0005ece and ACP0005ecf:
This first one I don't think we can ID, but I'm including him because he obviously doesn't match the second male in this sequence.
second male (CDMale05a):
ACP00057if and ACP00057ig (CDMale07, on left):
And last I'll include videos/images of Ralph and videos/images proposed to be Ralph since he may be some of the males above:
ACP0005a6g, ACP0005a6h, ACP0005a6i, ACP0005a6j (confirmed):
ACP0005a9x, ACP0005a9y, ACP0005aa0 (confirmed):
ACP00054hk and ACP00054hl (proposed):
ACP0005e8s, ACP0005e8t, ACP0005e8u, ACP0005e8v (proposed):
My personal opinion here is that we have at least 2 big males, plus Ralph. I believe the two big boys in ACP0004zr0 and ACP0004zr1 are the same two in ACP00054u7 and ACP00054u8. Additionally, I believe that CDMale01 is the first male in each of those sequences. I'm not going to try ID every video in this post, but I think these are CDMale01:
ACP0004zr0, ACP00054u7, (and obviously ACP0005acj/k/l/m)And I think these are the other male (who I'm pretending is his younger brother 😉 ):
ACP0004zr1, ACP00054u8, ACP0004vbj, ACP0005exx, ACP0005fh2, ACP00054xv, ACP0005e9oPosted
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by Snorticus in response to jwidness's comment.
ACP0005ece and ACP0005ecf This chimp is the same chimp.
ACP0005ece--- Preview 15
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by Snorticus in response to jwidness's comment.
and ACP0005ecf---Preview 0
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by Snorticus in response to jwidness's comment.
Chimp has a large white spot on left cheek, but I don't know that I have seen that spot before on any chimps, maybe you guys have.
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by jwidness moderator
There's another male earlier in ACP0005ece -- I posted preview 8, he's right after Pearl.
As far as the white edges of the mouth, a few males have that to different degrees. I think Ralph has some amount of white, and I think CDMale01 does too.Posted
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by Quia moderator
I noticed something while watching these two videos...
ACP0005ece First time watching I thought this was Pearl and Flocke, white face, large and somewhat crinkled left ear, carrying an infant.
But in the next video, the ear and the left side of the face, as much as it's visible, also remind me of Pearl, with the weird left ear and lighter face. ACP0005ecf (no good stills, but the video is clearer)
Thoughts? They both have quite patchy fur, too. And I wonder if the white spot on the male's face is related... :\ Not the nicest thought to end the night on for me.
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by jwidness moderator
My personal take on the sequence of chimps in ACP0005ece and ACP0005ecf is this: CDMale02, Pearl/Flocke, a big male, shy girl, another big male (with white mouth area), Esme. Is your point that you think the coloration of some of the other chimps might be due to the same problem Pearl has? That would be sad indeed 😦
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by Snorticus
My thought was also that the last chimp is Esme, with her damaged left ear & stooped posture. I also hope the whole troop does not have signs of Pearl's illness.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Hi guys. Thanks for the proposal and pictures/videos of the males here.
Please, let me put all this chimps in the prospective list of chimps, with prospective names, and then we talk about the matches with names, it will be easier...
ThanksPosted
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by jwidness moderator
I won't do any more suggesting until temp names are assigned, but I have one more sequence to add: ACP00057if and ACP00057ig
He's on the left (the right is a female with dorsal infant I already suggested a match for here: http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000k/discussions/DCP00009mj)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
All the chimps we have found until now are already in the prospective/known list. There are some videos that I haven't used because the quality is not enough to ID the chimps, or because the chimps are far in the image.
Thanks for being patient!Posted
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by jwidness moderator
Thanks for giving out temp names @PauDG, and sorry for putting up so much information at once!
I'll start off with a reduced version of my match suggestion, to make it a bit easier for people to think about. I'm proposing that CDMale01 = CDMale01a = CDMale05. I'm additionally suggesting that CDMale04a = CDMale06.
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