Archie: Adult male with white spotted beard/muzzle - LSMale04

• by AnLand moderator

  Adult male a bit distant with bald forehead, straigther, protruded brows, both ears present, damage not visible (from this distance). His muzzle looks a bit strange while feeding, but I think, the big white spots are only this. ACP0005uxu, ACP0005uxv, ACP0005uxw (I don't think that these are only light reflexes.)

  

  

  

  Posted August 20, 2015 7:04 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  Also seen in ACP0005uy1, ACP0005uy2, ACP0005uy3, ACP0005uy4. Those white spots around his mouth are very distinctive!

  Posted August 20, 2015 7:14 PM

• by Snorticus

  Are these just white spots or are they signs of a disease similar to Pearl's facial issues in Muddy Frost 7?

  Posted August 21, 2015 4:07 AM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  Hi all,

  for now he will be LSMale04.
  I am not sure if is a pigmentation problem, or some infraction... I am asking more people.

  Thanks!

  Posted August 21, 2015 3:09 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP0005uy1 Here are two preview shots. It looks as if there are possible facial scars or injuries? Will help with further ID.

  

  

  Posted August 21, 2015 3:16 PM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  Hi all,
  my colleagues bet for a pigmentation issue...

  Posted August 21, 2015 4:56 PM

• by Snorticus

  Thanks, @PauDG

  Posted August 21, 2015 8:42 PM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  😉

  Posted August 24, 2015 10:40 AM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  Hi all again!!!

  I think that this chimp ( ACP0005iin) could be LSMale04. I think I can see some different pigmentation around his mouth. What do you think??

  There is not good pictures, better see the video.

  Posted December 1, 2015 9:57 AM

• by ksigler moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

  I think his muzzle is more uniformly light than LSMale04, made more noticeable because he's carrying something in his mouth. In LSMale04, the white spots are very well-defined and go up almost to the eye. Also, LSMale04's back looks a bit more rough and battered. I will look at other LS Males to see if I can propose a different match, but that's my opinion on LSMale04 for now.

  Update: Of those on the Known/Prospective list, I see similarities (size, body and rear end coloration, light muzzle) with Leo or LSMale01a.

  Posted December 1, 2015 11:37 AM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to ksigler's comment.

  Hi Ksigler
  I am going to add this last male as LSMale14 to help us to talk about him while we find the match 😉
  Thanks for your comments!

  Posted December 1, 2015 2:40 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  I see a lot of similarities, but it is hard to say (because of the brief look) whether the pigmentation (or de-pigmentation) is the same. The body build is not robust enough for Leo, I think. The gray back, black legs, dark testicles and these lighter patches are consistent with LSMale04. So is the baldness. There is something white on his muzzle and for me, it is more localized than just a lighter muzzle.

  Posted December 1, 2015 9:37 PM

• by ksigler moderator

  Pulled out the photoshop zoom trick (but did not edit), since the stills aren't great. This is what I see, as far as markings on the face... few to none. The bright spot at the mouth is something he's carrying in his mouth. Nothing like LSMale04, in my opinion.

  LSMale14:
  

  LSMale04:
  

  

  I might be willing to concede the point about the back scars (light, angle, healing -- and as we learned from Dry Lake, a missing patch of hair can look like a white scar, but be temporary). The face just doesn't match to me, though.

  HOWEVER, just throwing this out there,.... this clip of Male14 is from May 2013, and the sequence with Male04 is October 2013. Maybe whatever caused the pigmentation issues didn't kick in until after May? I tend to go for easier explanations, though.

  I'm also seeing a twisted-looking right ear on Male04, which I don't see (but maybe can't see) on Male14. I'll keep looking...

  Posted December 1, 2015 11:01 PM

• by Snorticus

  Back over here at Lingering Shape, I vote yes that:

  ACP0005uy3 - LSMale04 matches ACP0005iin - LSMale14

  Both chimps have white facial pigmentation right of mouth, balding on forefront of crown, top of right ear has a notch or tear damage, similar body shape & size, similar coloring & shape of pattern on the back, white spot on lower back above anus:

  ACP0005uy3 - LSMale04

  

  white spot on back

  

  I agree with a match to

  ACP0005iin - LSMale14 as proposed by Paula

  

  Posted January 26, 2019 7:31 PM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Excellent, Dawna, thanks! I'm happy you're having mercy on our old friends back at LS 😃

  I checked my review notes from LingeringShape and noted there: Support match between LSMale04 and LSMale14. That's three votes!

  Posted January 27, 2019 4:32 PM

• by Snorticus in response to Boleyn's comment.

  😃

  Posted January 27, 2019 4:55 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Great!! Dawna, name or namer?

  Posted January 28, 2019 8:48 AM

• by Snorticus in response to NuriaM's comment.

  You know Dick @Corcaroli has been such a diligent team member on this project, I think we should ask him if he would like to name this guy.

  Posted January 29, 2019 10:13 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

  Great choice!! That´s very kind of you Dawna 😃

  @Corcaroli, would you do the honors? will you give us a name for LSMale04 and LSMale14?

  Posted January 30, 2019 8:27 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  @Corcaroli said:

  It is always a pleasure to select a chimp name! How about Archie. And many thanks to Dawna for nominating me. 😃

  Posted February 5, 2019 11:44 AM

• by Snorticus in response to NuriaM's comment.

  He definitely looks like an Archie! 😄

  Posted February 6, 2019 12:42 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Oh yes, Dick, Archie fits him very well ;D

  Posted February 6, 2019 1:39 PM