Nyack - Just one eye, barely an ear

• by AnLand moderator

  I found yesterday this adult that should recognizable. He is missing the right eye and the right ear is badly damaged. There is some midline baldness, a flat head, rather straight brows. Body build seems to be more slim. I think older, but hard to tell. There is a big balder spot on the right side of his head above the ear with a white streak. That might be an additional scar. Gray back, slightly grayer legs, but so much.

  ACP000badq, ACP000badr, ACP000bads, ACP000badt

  Pictures are not the best.

  

  

  

  Posted March 2, 2016 4:07 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  In this video ACP000bb7k, found by Henrik87, one can see a one-eyed chimp. It's quite dark, so I cannot see much more. It is the same eye and the head seems to be flat and the face wide. That's all, sorry.

  Not very useful, but ...

  

  Posted March 2, 2016 5:44 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Thanks @AnLand ! This is a great start to Cold Fire! I think our first male in the ACP000badq series should be an easy match later on. Let's call the male from the first set of clips CFMale01.

  As for the individual from ACP000bb7k , I think we very well could be looking at the same chimp, another male with only 1 eye.... but in absence of any other features to evaluate a match, maybe it's best if we stay conservative and wait for something clearer. I'd be really sold if the grey on the back was visible in this set! As we move through the clips we could always come back to confirm the match here later on. Maybe there's more than 1 male out there with 1 eye! Shall we call him CFMale01b ?

  How do others feel?

  Posted March 3, 2016 10:58 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  What do you think about him: ACP000baqy?

  Eyes not visible, but same gray back, body build and bald streak above the right ear. Ear itself not well visible. Video found by @Orohena

  

  

  Posted March 3, 2016 12:01 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  I am not absolutely sure what I see in this right ear, but there is another chimp (not real face view) with the same body build and grayness - and a really deep cut in his right ear. ACP000baeg (Other video from this sequence ACP000baec found and briefly discussed by @tina_pixie)

  Better seen in the video:

  

  Posted March 3, 2016 12:19 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  OK! So we should expect multiple males with grey backs at Cold Lake! Since the right ear of the chimp in ACP000baeg is cut but not missing sections, we have another CF chimp- CFMale02 ! His hips appear to be quite a bit thinner than CFMale01, so perhaps that will help us in future videos distinguish between the two (if we're lucky)!

  Posted March 3, 2016 3:44 PM

• by AnLand moderator in response to northernlimitptv's comment.

  So, you really see that the ear is partly missing in the one-eyed guy (CFMale01)? I haven't been sure.

  But, I am quite sure, that he in ACP000b6sz has the gray back, bald streak above the right ear and - when he is looking through the branches: there is no right eye. (My impression.)

  Edit: More here: ACP000b6t1 (found by Tschango) and ACP000b6t3

  Posted March 3, 2016 4:00 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  You said:

  So, you really see that the ear is partly missing in the one-eyed guy
  (DFMale01)?

  Yep! I do, although sometimes it can be tricky. I've known chimps who are completely missing the top cartilage of the ear (as this guy appears to), and also chimps who have had their ears ripped and damaged just enough that the top half hangs down (and at certain angles appears to be missing). In this instance I'm fairly confident that it is the former.

  As for ACP000b6sz , I can't really see well enough that the eye is also missing, but the gray back follows the same pattern and the ear looks pretty identical in ACP000b6t1 to that of ACP000badq .

  For comparison:

  
  

  How do others weigh in?

  Posted March 3, 2016 4:30 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  This is just a continuation of the first sequence (found by @Dana23): ACP000bb58, ACP000bb5a, ACP000bb5c, ACP000bb5e (time stamp is two minutes later).

  

  Posted March 5, 2016 2:04 PM

• by vestigial

  There is also something wrong with that left hand. You can see it in ACP000bb58, ACP000bb5a, ACP000bb5c, ACP000bb5e and ACP000b6t1. It's like some of the fingers don't bend. I know I've seen that in a daytime video of another chimp but I can't remember which one. I'll have to hunt it down.

  This chimp may also be the same one - ACP000bazz. It's got the eye issue and the same small right ear along with the large left ear.

  Posted March 7, 2016 6:32 AM

• by vestigial

  Found it but they are night videos, too - ACP000b6sj and ACP000b6sk. The fingers on that left hand are hinky.

  Edit: Snorticus found another one - ACP000bapy.

  Posted March 7, 2016 7:00 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  It is here seen (video from same day as above) that in addition to the other already mentioned traits, he has a prominent white spot at his nostrils. ACP000baf7

  

  This and other visible traits (baldness pattern, right ear, gray back) suggest to me that this male in ACP000baf2

  

  Some more: ACP000b6tk (ear stump visible, gray back), ACP000b6tr (found by @Snorticus), ACP000b74v and ACP000b74w (same day as above)

  Posted March 12, 2016 11:18 AM

• by Snorticus

  More of chimp with bad left fingers: ACP000b6p2 ACP000b6p4

  ACP000b6p5

  

  Posted March 13, 2016 3:03 AM

• by hoothoot

  Found in ACP000baxm ACP000baxn ACP000baxo ACP000baxp

  His most distinct mark probably is the hole in his muzzle, if I didn't know any better I'd say he has a harelip. He has only a light grey/white beard, a grey backside, a light droopy lower lip, the brow ridges rounded, slighlty curved digits that almost look broken in places, the left ear looks scarred, forehead balding in a triangular fashion

  

  

  Posted March 13, 2016 10:52 PM

• by Snorticus in response to hoothoot's comment.

  Nice clear pics, good find! There's a big discussion over here started by @AnLand that might be about this chimp also:

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000r/discussions/DCP0000spe

  White spot on the nose and those straight fingers on the left hand. Hard to tell in daylight if the right eye is bad. This chimp has a lighter lower back also.

  Posted March 13, 2016 11:43 PM

• by Snorticus in response to AnLand's comment.

  @hoothoot found some really good clear pics over here of a chimp with these characteristics:

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000r/discussions/DCP0000vk7?page=1&comment_id=56e5ef39d128564a91001492

  Posted March 13, 2016 11:45 PM

• by hoothoot in response to Snorticus's comment.

  Hey @ Snorticus 😃

  The white spot on the nostrils sounds familiar, yet the chimp(s) you mention also seem to missing an eye - or did I oversee the one you meant ? Who knows, if they are not the same, they might still be related.

  Posted March 14, 2016 12:14 AM

• by Snorticus

  Hi @hoothoot, 😃

  Here are some images that may better illustrate what I am referring to. It's hard to see the similarities between a chimp in a color clip and a black & white clip sometimes. In black & white clips the bad eye is easy to see because it doesn't reflect back the infrared camera light like the undamaged one does, while in daylight clips the damaged eye looks relatively normal. Both these chimps have the white spot on the left nostril. As you noted above the chimp's fingers are not normal. The index and the ring fingers on the chimp's left hand are held straight and don't work right - normal chimp hands don't have this shape.

  ACP000bapy

  

  ACP000baxm

  

  Posted March 14, 2016 3:18 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  This is a super interesting find! Fingers, left ear, something wrong with his eyes (not seen what, but the eyes are different, I could not see the definite damage with this daylight video - interesting to know also for our one-eyed guy at Lingering Shape!), gray back and body build. I would love to see the other ear as we had the discussion about CFMale02 with a gray back, similar body build, but a deep cut in his right ear.

  Posted March 14, 2016 5:53 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  You guys make a great team! There are so many good videos getting thrown around here! Disentangling who made the first match has been tough here, but with @AnLand 's helpful post that videos ACP000bb58 , ACP000bb5a , ACP000bb5c , and ACP000bb5e are in the same sequence as those originally IDed as CFMale01 ( ACP000badq , ACP000badr , ACP000bads , and ACP000badt ), @vestigial appears to have made the first match here in the discussion that I can agree with 100% confidence. @AnLand , although I now agree with some of your earlier matches, @vestigial 's match was needed to come first in order to be able to 100% support your matches later. @Snorticus 's help has been paramount here as well in really making those comparisons obvious! With all three of your help I think this has been some fun detective work!

  I'll also add in @hoothoot 's match here so as to keep the conversation continuous. Likewise, I think since CFMale02 is still yet to be made to match with other chimps, I'll also create a new thread for him.

  So, @vestigial , as you made the first solid match here, what shall we name CFMale01?

  Posted March 14, 2016 3:06 PM

• by MimiA scientist, moderator

  WOW! This was some major teamwork! Great summary @northernlimitptv and congrats @vestigial!

  Posted March 14, 2016 5:11 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  I am very, very happy for @vestigial to name that chimp. In fact: I think I owe her much more than this one as she made the match for my very first named chimp at Chimp & See and since 10 months I am not sure whether I was really supposed to name it. I always felt bad about it (but I was so excited!).

  Posted March 14, 2016 5:34 PM

• by vestigial

  Sorry I missed all this! I was goofing off with my niece in DC this weekend. Now I just have to think of an appropriate name!

  @AnLand, you totally deserve to name any chimp on here! You work really hard at finding matches and comparing physical features and helping other Chimp&See users. I've already named 4 chimps so I couldn't possibly begrudge anyone the chance to name a chimp. Don't you dare feel bad about it!

  Off to a meeting now and when I get back I will have hopefully though of a name (it won't be Cyclops - hahaha).

  Posted March 15, 2016 5:17 PM

• by vestigial

  I think I like Nyack. It means one who won't give up and this guy seems pretty persistent in spite of his issues.

  Posted March 15, 2016 7:33 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Nyack it is! Thanks everybody!

  Posted March 16, 2016 10:52 AM

• by Snorticus

  That's a good one - Nyack

  Posted March 16, 2016 8:50 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  Wonderful name! A lot of Cold Fire's chimps need this kind of encouragement, I think.

  Posted March 16, 2016 9:25 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  I wasn't sure exactly which videos were accepted to the match, so I didn't tag any. But I did hunt down other clips out of the spreadsheet that come from adjacent minutes off the cameras. I think this is the list of all the videos proposed to the match, plus their nearby videos, broken up into each camera "event":

  ACP000b6tj
  ACP000b6tl
  ACP000b6tn
  ACP000b6sz
  ACP000b6t1
  ACP000b6t3

  ACP000badq
  ACP000badr
  ACP000bads
  ACP000badt
  ACP000bb58
  ACP000bb5a
  ACP000bb5c
  ACP000bb5e
  ACP000baf6
  ACP000baf7
  ACP000baf8
  ACP000baf9
  ACP000bagx

  ACP000bb7k

  ACP000baqy

  ACP000baf2

  ACP000bayi
  ACP000bayj
  ACP000bazz

  ACP000b6sj
  ACP000b6sk

  ACP000bb6k
  ACP000bapy
  ACP000bapz

  ACP000b7ab
  ACP000b7ac
  ACP000b7ad
  ACP000b7ae
  ACP000b7b7
  ACP000b6tr
  ACP000b6tk
  ACP000b6tm
  ACP000b6to
  ACP000b6tp

  ACP000b6xb
  ACP000b6xd
  ACP000b6xe
  ACP000b74v
  ACP000b74w

  ACP000b6p2
  ACP000b6p4
  ACP000b6p5

  ACP000bb72
  ACP000baxm
  ACP000baxn
  ACP000baxo
  ACP000baxp

  Posted March 17, 2016 3:11 AM

• by Snorticus in response to jwidness's comment.

  Well that took some time to research & post @jwidness! Will enjoy taking a look at all that footage tomorrow.

  Posted March 17, 2016 3:24 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  What a BIG BIG help @jwidness !! Thanks so much! This made it much simpler to go through and link up the Nyack videos.

  Posted March 17, 2016 10:32 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Happy to help : )

  These seem to also be him (one pointed out by Snorticus, the rest from neighboring videos in the spreadsheet):

  ACP000bajj
  ACP000bajl
  ACP000bajo
  ACP000bajr
  ACP000bazj
  ACP000bakj
  ACP000bako

  Posted March 17, 2016 1:48 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  Reposted from the confusing male thread:
  
  Male03 is Nyack, you can see his wonky fingers in ACP000b71d. He's in ACP000b71b, ACP000b71c, ACP000b71d, ACP000b71e, and the next minute: ACP000b737, ACP000b738.

  Posted March 18, 2016 4:12 PM

• by lilapot

  
  Just to add some pictures. I'm pretty sure this is him.

  Posted March 19, 2016 8:45 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  @jwidness , good eye! I wasn't really convinced by the fingers alone, but in ACP000b71d you can also see the wonky toe on the right foot as well as the scar on the nose. The pictures you've posted @lilapot also really help! I'd say that's more than plenty to feel safe about it! So CFMale03 also turns out to be Nyack!

  Posted March 23, 2016 4:16 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  paired Nyack videos:

  ACP000basq, ACP000basr, ACP000bass

  ACP000b7dc, ACP000b7df, ACP000b7di

  credit to @grok00

  Posted March 23, 2016 5:12 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Updated! 😄 This paired camera thing could get tricky 😮

  Posted March 24, 2016 2:40 PM

• by Orohena

  Hello,

  seems that Nyack appear here : ACP000bb4n, ACP000bb4p.
  videos found by Snorticus

  Posted April 12, 2016 11:41 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Updated! Good looking, @Orohena !

  Posted April 26, 2016 9:11 AM

• by Snorticus

  #CFMale01b in ACP000bb7k Missing right eye, can we now say this is Nyack since we have not found another chimp missing that eye? Nyack also has a pale streaky pattern on his inner left groin and upper left thigh and rounded balls with a line in the center. This is not the best clip for previews but compare the groin & crotch area in these two:

  ACP000bb7k

  

  ACP000bayj Confirmed Nyack

  

  ACP000b522 Color view discussed to be Nyack & has his damaged left hand but not tagged as him - compare the groin & thigh pale coloration and note the long streak.

  

  Posted April 28, 2016 2:47 AM

• by Snorticus in response to northernlimitptv's comment.

  @northernlimitptv could you take another look at my post above to see what you think now that we have completed Cold Fire?

  Posted May 11, 2016 4:27 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Hi @Snorticus , just yesterday I updated it! CFMale01b should now be included in the Nyack series 😃

  Posted May 11, 2016 9:28 AM

• by Snorticus in response to northernlimitptv's comment.

  ACP000b522 and ACP000b523

  Hi @northernlimitptv do you agree that this guy is Nyack too?

  Posted June 19, 2016 3:46 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Yep! 😃

  Posted June 20, 2016 12:22 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  ACP000bb9o is Nyack -- also, his description says his left ear has minimal damage, but it's actually got a fairly significant defect on the top rim, seen both in this video, and for example, in ACP000baxm.

  

  Posted October 19, 2016 3:44 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  ACP000bb9o series updated and tagged as Nyack 😃

  Posted October 19, 2016 8:00 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  A couple more for Nyack: ACP000bawy & ACP000balb

  Posted January 24, 2017 12:53 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  thanks 😃

  Posted January 30, 2017 11:20 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Here are some more of Nyack.

  Side A: ACP000bbac ACP000bbad ACP000bbaf ACP000bbah

  ACP000bamm ACP000bamn ACP000bamo

  Side B: ACP000b783 ACP000b784 ACP000b785 ACP000b786

  ACP000b7cz

  You can see his gnarled fingers in ACP000b783:

  

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  I also tagged ACP000b6re, pair to ACP000bb7k, so it doesn't need the needCID tag anymore

  Posted February 1, 2017 9:09 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  Thanks!!

  Posted February 2, 2017 9:32 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  ACP000bau0 ACP000bau2 ACP000bau4 ACP000bau5 are Nyack. Yellow lower back, round torso, cut in left ear.

  

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  Then we see him leaving 25 minutes later in ACP000b6zn and ACP000bb41. Yellow lower back, round torso, mangled right ear.

  

  

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  A few more: ACP000b727 ACP000b728 and ACP000bb8d ACP000bb8f show Nyack going up into the tree, and ACP000b6nt
  and ACP000bb0e should be him coming down an hour later.

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  Also ACP000b6rv, nothing from the other side.

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  ACP000baqj, ACP000bafi, ACP000bafm, ACP000bafp, ACP000bafs, ACP000b7ds ACP000bawm ACP000bawn ACP000bawp ACP000bawr ACP000b6wr ACP000b6ws ACP000b6wt ACP000b6wu ACP000b6mr ACP000b6ms ACP000b6mt ACP000b6mu ACP000b6lr ACP000b6ls ACP000b6lu ACP000b6lw don't needCID

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  Nyack is in ACP000b7ab ACP000b7ac ACP000b7ad ACP000b7ae ACP000b7b7 and ACP000bafk ACP000bafn ACP000baft

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  ACP000b72b and ACP000bb7g ACP000bb7h ACP000bb7i should be Nyack leaving, they come ~15 mins after previous Nyack video.

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  ACP000bb9k ACP000bb9l ACP000bb9m ACP000bb9n and ACP000b6v7 ACP000b6v8 ACP000b6v9 ACP000b6vb should all be Nyack as well -- big male with yellow back, 40 mins after previous Nyack video with no videos in between.

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  ACP000b6pb looks like Nyack.

  Posted February 4, 2017 5:20 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  Great!

  Posted February 6, 2017 9:30 AM