Porter - No left hand male chimp

• by Snorticus

  This guy was mentioned over here:
  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000r/discussions/DCP0000tmz?page=2&comment_id=56dd0f5efebb1d079d0002f2

  ACP000avrb The face view and the missing left hand.

  

  Posted March 7, 2016 7:03 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Agree! Let's call him CFMale06 for now! Had there already been matched videos proposed as well?

  Posted March 8, 2016 1:32 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  Hi @Snorticus,

  single posts cannot be moved by anybody (not even mods). You go to your post, click "edit", copy it as it is and post it at the new location - and delete at the old location afterwards. There is no other way to move between discussions, sorry!

  Thanks a lot!

  Posted March 8, 2016 3:10 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000avg4 found by @Dana23 and ACP000avg5 Agree with @northernlimitptv that this chimp is missing the left hand. I don't see any fingers, just a stub. Instead of grasping for balance as he would with a hand, he counterbalances by stretching his left arm out straight to the side as he is maneuvering. I think this is a different injured chimp.

  ACP000avg4 Left arm with no hand used as a counterweight.

  

  

  ACP000avg5 And the same arm use again as he is climbing back down

  

  Posted March 8, 2016 3:14 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000avqy This looks like the same chimp, also missing the left hand. He has dark fur. They both have a light 'fan shape' at their anus, big robust builds, fluffy fur on the thighs, rounded big bellies, somewhat triangular left ears which angle to a point in the center of the outer ridge. The horizontal antihelix ridge (fold) is present in both left ears - Not well delineated in the flat lighting of ACP000avqz but it's there. @Dana23 found ACP000avr1 - Full series: ACP000avqy ACP000avqz ACP000avr0 ACP000avr1

  ACP000avqy Angled ear and missing left hand

  

  ACP000avqz Light fan shape around anus (compare to shape in color view of 2nd preview above)

  

  Posted March 8, 2016 3:15 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000avrb ACP000avre - Found by Henrik87 - ACP000avrh ACP000avrj a good look at the missing left hand chimp. No figs left here, poor fella. He has a funny bald spot on center of head above the somewhat curved brows with two slightly raised lines running parallel and into the brow ridge. He has the same triangular shaped ear with the inner fold that runs horizontally. Robust build, fluffy thighs.

  ACP000avrb The face view and the missing left hand.

  

  Posted March 8, 2016 3:17 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000b3ic This is also CFMale06 I'm pretty sure. His left arm stump is seen as he adjusts his sitting position at about 0:06 and 0:07 in this clip. He also has the bald spot on center of the head with the two slightly raised lines intersecting the brow ridge. His nostrils are fairly large and similarly shaped. Full series: ACP000b3i8 ACP000b3ic ACP000b3ig found by Henrik87 ACP000b3ik

  ACP000b3ic Male eating figs and missing a left hand.

  

  Posted March 8, 2016 4:44 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000avzd Also think is CFMale06 hanging by his right hand and using his left stump to pull fig branches toward his mouth. Same dark fur and robust body build, muscular thighs with fluffy hair. Full series: ACP000avz9 ACP000avzb ACP000avzd found by amandamo ACP000avzf

  ACP000avzd

  

  ACP000avz9 Facial view showing bald spot and missing hand. The left ear ridge is faint but there.

  

  Posted March 8, 2016 5:37 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Wow @Snorticus , you've been hard at work! To me the most distinguishing characteristics are the inner fold of the left hear (with the curling of the outer 'lip' of the ear at the top, and the absence of the curl towards the back) , the curled and even brows, and the obvious missing left hand. The fanning you speak of on the lower back isn't apparent to me. While the prominent bald spot is obvious in some videos, it's not so visible in others.

  What do other folks have to weigh in here... do we have a match for CFMale06 ?

  Posted March 9, 2016 2:47 PM

• by Snorticus

  Sorry for the long post! That lighter skin at the anus is an unusual shape I've not seen on another chimp. Fan-shaped or maybe described as clam-shell shaped? Easier to see what I am looking at - in particular the two curving lines on the left side and lighter color - in these previews together:

  ACP000avg4

  

  ACP000avr0 and in black and white here just above the testicles:

  

  Posted March 10, 2016 12:13 AM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000b3b5 found by Henrik87 - Here he is again eating figs - adding more views to a long post of this guy because I am convinced that they are all CFMale06. Clearly showing his missing left hand and the triangular ear with the horizontal ridge. Profile view shows how prominent his muzzle is. His nostrils are fairly large and slant up toward the eyes.

  Full series: ACP000b3b2 ACP000b3b3 ACP000b3b4 ACP000b3b5

  ACP000b3b5 left hand missing and triangular left ear shape with inner ridge:

  

  ACP000b3b3 Bald spot with two ridges intersecting the brow:

  

  ACP000b3b3 front facial view showing nostrils and bald spot ridges:

  

  Posted March 10, 2016 2:06 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  More videos (tagged by @Henrik87, @zoogirl1, @Dana23, and me) ACP000b36q & ACP000b36r, ACP000avs9 ACP000avsa ACP000avsb ACP000avsc

  Posted March 10, 2016 4:59 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  I'm sold, @Snorticus ! What shall we call him??

  Posted March 10, 2016 5:48 PM

• by Snorticus

  Thanks @northernlimitptv! I like to name the chimps things that somehow are related to the individual chimp. His left hand missing is his most obvious trait, so I thought of port side - the left side of a boat - so I'd like to name him Porter. Also a porter "handles" things so another reference to hands without being too obvious.

  Posted March 10, 2016 8:11 PM

• by Snorticus

  Thanks @ jwidness for adding more views found of him. He seems to have gotten his share of figs even with just the one hand!

  Posted March 10, 2016 8:18 PM

• by vestigial

  Didn't want to call him Lefty, huh? 😃

  Posted March 10, 2016 10:23 PM

• by Snorticus in response to vestigial's comment.

  Ha ha, @vestigial I thought about "Mr. Right" but he seems too dignified for a pun name, heh!

  Posted March 11, 2016 12:19 AM

• by ksigler moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

  Cool name! Thanks for meaning, too. I enjoy reading how people decide the name. 😃

  Posted March 11, 2016 10:06 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Great! Porter's a go! 😃 I think I'd feel bad for him if you called him Lefty 😦

  Posted March 11, 2016 10:09 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  These seem to be all Porter from the morning of 8/28/2012:

  ACP000b3i8
  ACP000b3ic
  ACP000b3ig
  ACP000b3ik
  ACP000b39v
  ACP000b39x
  ACP000b39z
  ACP000b3a1
  ACP000b3b2
  ACP000b3b3
  ACP000b3b4
  ACP000b3b5
  ACP000b3me
  ACP000b3mf
  ACP000b3mh
  ACP000b3mj

  (no credit to me, all were mentioned by others or came out of the spreadsheet)

  Posted March 16, 2016 4:18 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Updated and tagged! Thanks @jwidness !

  Posted March 17, 2016 1:06 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  more Porter: ACP000b3aa
  ACP000b3ab
  ACP000b3ac
  ACP000b3ad
  ACP000b3ee
  ACP000b3ef
  ACP000b3eg
  ACP000b3eh

  Posted March 18, 2016 3:57 PM

• by Snorticus

  @Dana23 found another of Porter: ACP000b751

  Posted March 19, 2016 9:23 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  even more Porter: ACP000b6of, ACP000b6og, ACP000b6oh, ACP000b6oi, and this is the matching set from the other side: ACP000bala, ACP000bale, ACP000bali, ACP000ball

  Edit: and the match to ACP000b751 above is ACP000bant

  Posted March 20, 2016 4:36 AM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Updated, thanks! This paired camera thing is super cool! 😄

  Posted March 23, 2016 4:46 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  from 10/7/2012:

  ACP000bb7w, ACP000bb7x, ACP000bb7y
  
  ACP000bb8s, ACP000bb8t, ACP000bb8u, ACP000bb8v

  and just one from the other side:
  
  ACP000b6mn

  credit to @Henrik87, and especially to @Snorticus for making the ID in the video comments

  Posted March 23, 2016 5:21 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Tagged and updated! Thanks so much 😄

  Posted March 28, 2016 12:16 PM

• by Snorticus

  ACP000ba0j ACP000ba0l This looks like Porter awkwardly climbing out of a tree. In stop motion you can see he is missing his left hand. He also has a robust and fluffy shape like Porter.

  Posted April 16, 2016 10:56 PM

• by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

  Agreed! Updating now... thanks @Snorticus !!!

  Posted June 11, 2016 3:59 PM

• by jwidness moderator

  I think these are Porter:

  ACP000b2qs (with maybe Mr Chow in front)
  ACP000b2qt
  ACP000b2qu
  ACP000b2qv

  ACP000ba6s

  ACP000ba92

  ACP000avg4
  ACP000avg5

  Posted January 24, 2017 12:52 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

  agreed about Porter´s series. What makes you think that the one in front of Porter in ACP000b2qs is Mr. Chow, apart from his skinny rear?

  Posted January 30, 2017 10:59 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Porter and the male in front of him in ACP000b2qs show up at the fig tree 7 minutes later in ACP000b337. They feed together there in:

  ACP000b337 ACP000b338 ACP000b339 ACP000b33a

  ACP000b3f6 ACP000b3f9 ACP000b3fb ACP000b3fe

  ACP000b34j ACP000b34l

  then the skinny male leaves in ACP000b3hf, and Porter follows in ACP000b3hi and ACP000b3hk (not currently tagged as Porter). There's never a great view of the skinny male, but the build, baldness to the lower back, hunched posture, and slow gait suggest Mr. Chow.

  Posted January 31, 2017 3:14 PM