Chimp & See Talk

CFFem05, CFJuv02, CFJuv03 - (Previously CFMale02)

  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

    @AnLand proposed the following as a match for CFMale01, but the ears don't match! Can we find a match for our friend CFMale02?

    I am not absolutely sure what I see in this right ear, but there is
    another chimp (not real face view) with the same body build and
    grayness - and a really deep cut in his right ear. ACP000baeg (Other
    video from this sequence ACP000baec found and briefly discussed by
    @tina_pixie)

    Better seen in the video:

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Just to get to know him better: I already found during the weekend a continuation from this earlier scene and tagged it. But today, I see the last video from this sequence (three minutes later) with a great face view, deep cut in right ear clearly seen. ACP000bb6q, ACP000bb6s, ACP000bb6u, ACP000bb6v

    So, here is a face view: very protruded brows slightly rounded, long, dark muzzle (white spot is only sunlight!), trianguar left ear. Slim body build, gray back.

    enter image description here

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  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

    Great, thanks @AnLand ! I'll update the description!

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    I think this is the complete list of videos from the morning of 9/24/2012. Also, looking at the rear end in ACP000bayy, I'm not so sure this is a male.

    ACP000baxu, ACP000baxv, ACP000baxw, ACP000baxx

    ACP000bapi, ACP000bapj, ACP000bapk, ACP000bapl

    ACP000bb6q, ACP000bb6s, ACP000bb6u, ACP000bb6v

    ACP000baec, ACP000baee, ACP000baeg, ACP000baei

    ACP000baxq, ACP000baxr, ACP000baxs, ACP000baxt

    ACP000basf, ACP000basi

    ACP000basu, ACP000basv, ACP000basw, ACP000basx

    ACP000baqu, ACP000baqv, ACP000baqw, ACP000baqx

    ACP000bayy, ACP000bayz, ACP000baz0

    ACP000bb78, ACP000bb79, ACP000bb7a, ACP000bb7b

    ACP000ban2, ACP000ban3, ACP000ban4, ACP000ban5

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    Turns out this whole scene was caught from the other side too, plus there a few more videos from the first side that don't show the adult, but do show a small juvenile and a very large juvenile at the same tree at the same time -- I added them to the list above. Here are the clips from the other side, including the ones with the juveniles:

    ACP000b6yb, ACP000b6yc, ACP000b6ye, ACP000b6yg

    ACP000b74z

    ACP000b711, ACP000b713, ACP000b715, ACP000b716

    ACP000b7d6, ACP000b7d8, ACP000b7d9, ACP000b7da

    ACP000b7cf, ACP000b7cg, ACP000b7ch, ACP000b7ci

    ACP000b7c5, ACP000b7c8, ACP000b7cb, ACP000b7cd

    ACP000b72r, ACP000b72s, ACP000b72t, ACP000b72u

    ACP000b6yd, ACP000b6yf, ACP000b6yh, ACP000b6yi

    ACP000b6oz, ACP000b6p0, ACP000b6p1, ACP000b6p3

    ACP000b6mz

    Everything is between 10:28 and 10:51 on 9/24/2012.

    Large juvenile:

    enter image description here

    Small juvenile (not the best preview, sorry):

    enter image description here

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    The female in ACP000b26n has a slice in her right ear and a large infant, but her back doesn't look grey. Could be the light?

    enter image description here

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  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

    You're absolutely right @jwidness , CFMale02 is actually a female! I'm learning my lesson that I need to do a bit more investigative work before matches/proposals. So let's now call our friend here CFFem05 . I've updated her prospective page with all the videos @jwidness added too. As for the juveniles, let's call them CFJuv02 (small) and CFJuv03 (large). I think I've tagged and placed all videos where they should be, but let me know if I've missed something!

    Lastly, I'm not sure that ACP000b26n is the same female. CFFem05's back is SO gray that I would still expect it to show up in that sunlight, and to not be quite so dark.

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    Sorry, I forgot about this thread -- CFJuv02 and CFJuv03 are actually the odd couple. I don't think they belong to CFFem05, nor is she a match to the female with infant from ACP000b26n.

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    I looked over CFUnclear04 again, and agree now with AnLand that the rear looks female -- she actually looks to me like CFFem05. Neither Unclear04 nor Fem05 appears to have a nursing infant (and so they're not in lactational amenorrhea), and yet they have such tiny swellings that they hardly look female. They both have grey backs and are skinny enough that the ilia are visible protruding from the lower back, but not as skinny as Neakta or "skinny Henry". I'm having a hard time seeing any damage to Unclear04's right ear, but it may just be the angle, as it's also hard to see the damage on CFFem05 in certain videos ( ACP000b7d8, for example).

    For reference, CFUnclear04 is in ACP000b2dk and ACP000b2dl, though the previews aren't great. This is the collection for CFFem05.

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  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

    So @jwidness suggests CFUnclear04 and CFFem05 could be the same chimp.... I don't disagree! CFUnclear04 is a really hard one to figure out since we can't see much. I think the color and shape of the anestrus swelling match for both individuals. @jwidness lays up some good arguments!

    Can we hear from a few more cit scientists? Does anyone else have a suggested match?

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    hmmm...not sure about this suggestion. Fem05´s right ear makes me doubt.

    here you can see it quite well, and it´s actually a very deep cut, like a `U´:

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    but while it´s true that Unclear04´s right ear is hard to see, I think we would see that `U-shaped´ cut if she had it:

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  • northernlimitptv by northernlimitptv scientist, moderator

    Great catch @NuriaM ! I missed that myself!

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