Eleanor (AVJuv09)--weird left ear young female
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by Snorticus
ACP000fwj3 Top of her left ear looks folded over or clipped off.
She has a fairly straight brow, pale muzzle, long upper lip, ears stick out, slim body, she looks young to me. Sparse line of hair on inside right elbow.
She has excellent tool use technique!
Note top of left ear.
Front facial view.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.
Hi Snorticus.
I added her as AVJuv09. Do you have any match proposal?
Thanks ๐
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by sydself
ACP000fwgj looks like she may be the same individual. This is my first match proposal; am I suppose to make match suggestions in this thread, or just tag the video, or something else entirely...? Thanks!
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by Snorticus in response to sydself's comment.
Hi @sydself Very cool find! Here is good so we can look at both ears. I agree with you that they are a match. Full series is really interesting: ACP000fwgh ACP000fwgj ACP000fwgl ACP000fwgo
ACP000fwgj That ear looks very similar to AVJuv09 to me. Also the long upper lip and pale muzzle look alike and they are a similar size too.
ACP000fwgl Another view.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Hi all!
thanks. Great, is AVJuv09 again.
Apart of the cut in the left ear, has a bald or scar in the right part of the head that maybe help us to find a match. Thanks all!
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by Snorticus
Do we have to see the same chimp on a different day or place for it to be considered a match found by @sydself ? The spread sheet lists ACP000fwgh as the 12th clip filmed on 12-20-2014 and ACP000fwj3 as the 39th clip filmed on that day so we see the same chimp with some time in between - or is it considered a part of a continuous set? (The timestamp is too white for me to read the exact times on the clips)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.
Hi Snorticus.
We can consider a match when we find the same chimp in 2 different sequences.I think these videos ACP000fwgh ACP000fwgj ACP000fwgl ACP000fwgo are from 23/12/2014. Look this picture from ACP000fwgj
I can not see well either the time stamp in the ACP000fwj3, but in the beginning looks like is from 25th.
and in this video ACP000fwa1, that is form the same sequence of ACP000fwj3, also looks like from 25th
So, if they are from 2 different days, we can consider a match
Do you think that the second date is a 25?
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by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.
Really hard to see, but looks like a 25 to me.
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by luca-chimp
I did some playings with image editing --- it is definetely a 25
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
great. so then we have an other match!!!!
@sydself , would be a pleasure if you select a name for this lady
Thanks all!
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by sydself
@PauDG Whoops, I took a break from the internet for a few days and just saw this! How exciting!!! Other than checking the thread of used names, are there any other step needed for me to choose? I'm partial to Eleanor myself, and didn't see a previous chimpanzee by that name. Thank you!
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by AnLand moderator in response to sydself's comment.
Great name!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Hi @sydself
There is a list with all the names we have used until now. I send you here the link to the Master List of chimp and other animal names
But I checked and Eleanor was not used, so perfect!!!
Thanks a lot!!
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000g7yv - I think this is Eleanor again. The damaged ear is not seen, but her bald forehead with the scar seems to be the same. Body size, straight brows etc. fit.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
yes, I think is her ๐
great AnLand!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
I found her also here ACP000g4dk
And I am wondering if AVJuv05 is also her. What do you think?
Thanks!
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by AnLand moderator
The second juvenile in ACP000fog0 should be Eleanor, too. The baldness is well and seen, the damaged ear not very well. But it looks - especially in comparison with the other one - not normal. I cannot say more.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Yes, here she is!
And what do you think about AVJuv05? could be also her?
Thanks!
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by AnLand moderator
Yes, sorry, I did misunderstand your comment that ACP000g4dk is AVJuv05 and with this, the question is already solved.
I did look in ACP000ehzu (= AVJuv05) and agree. The ear isn't well seen, but the white spot/scar on her forehead is and all other traits (pronounced baldness, straight browline, pouty lips, and body size) are consistent.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Great, thanks!
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by AnLand moderator
This in ACP000ebhc should be Eleanor. It's a female juvenile and the damaged left ear is very well seen and the baldness partly, too. Size fits.
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by AnLand moderator
The big juvenile stretched out on the log should be Eleanor, too.
In this first sequence is the bald head with spot/scar well seen. ACP000emlk / ACP000emll / ACP000emlm / ACP000emln
In the continuation is her left ear damage a bit visible, so I believe it is still her. ACP000emjw / ACP000emjx / ACP000emjy / ACP000emjz. In ACP000emjy is also her balding and the spot/scar visible when she looks into the camera direction.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
That is Eleanor...THANKS!! ๐
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by AnLand moderator
There is not much seen, but I think ACP000eduz is Eleanor - the left ear is clearly damaged in the way Eleanor's is.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
I see Eleanorยดs heart-shaped left ear too, thanks!
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by AnLand moderator
Do we think that Eleanor is already cycling? In the official list appeared this video ACP000g3fr and it could be Eleanor. The swelling is not big enough for Lya and Sabirah is still a bit younger, right? There seems to be enough baldness to be consistent with Eleanor.
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by Boleyn moderator
Can we check if the date of this video ACP000g3fr you are asking about @AnLand showing the year 2012 is correct? If it is it can certainly not be Eleanor. It's not in the spreadsheet yet so I can't look there....
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by AnLand moderator
I just assumed that the time stamp is wrong. There shouldn't be any videos from 2012.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
It is a bit fast, but seems her. ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
I agree on Eleanor then if the date is incorrect ๐
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Great! ๐
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Eleanor? (the one on the left)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
And I think this could be also her. Scar, damaged left ear...
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000f3oq: yes, the scar on the head is well seen. Also Kamala and Marlyn are clearly identifiable.
ACP000fvp5: also yes, baldness, scar, and ear damage clearly seen.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Right, Kamala was already tagged by Nuria in ACP000f3oq. But Marlyn can not be because appears in the next video, ACP000f3os
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by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.
Right, hm, I thought whether this one is too small and with a darker face than Marlyn. So, then I think it's Etta's infant with the round eyes. That was my second choice. ๐
It's actually hard to compare the body sizes, but it looks considerably smaller than Kamala. Is Etta around in that scene?
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
She is not, or at least not identified, and there isn't any female without infant (I think), but there are some chimps barely visible in the first part ( ACP000f3sv ACP000f3sx ACP000f3sy)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Eleanor?
AVjuv09b ACP000fv1l
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
And I think this is also her
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
And the one behind Filou, on the right, here
And the last one here, the biggest one
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by Boleyn moderator
I agree to ACP000fucj but I'm not sure about ACP000fv1l She seems to be a lot bigger in ACP000fucj . Even if there is half a year between could she grow so muc in this time? But maybe the angle is playing tricks on my eyes.
In ACP000fua7 and ACP000fu69 both seem to look like Eleanor or at least what I can distinguish as Eleanor's ears and bald spot.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Thanks @Boleyn for your comment.
I don't see a big difference between ACP000fucj and ACP000fv1l sizes, but maybe it is me. Anyway, if we are not sure about ACP000fv1l it is fine, I will add her to the chimp list as a prospective chimp.
Let's see if there is someone else supporting our other proposals ๐
Thanks!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
I think this could be also Eleanor because of the bald
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
This could be also Eleanor
ACP000emgt
ACP000emgu
ACP000emgwPosted
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by Boleyn moderator
The shiny head and size are quite clear. Yes, I agree.
And know what, Paula, in the meantime I can also agree to the bald female in ACP000fucj beeing Eleanor ๐
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by AnLand moderator
The second male in ACP000fucj is Filou.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Thanks ladies!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
I agree ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
Gossip here ๐
I agree with ACP000f3oo = Eleanor .
I see Eleanorยดs head scar and her fairly straight brows. Context and size agree.
left Eleanor in ACP000ehzu , right ACP000f3oo
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
As for ACP000fv1k , Iยดm not that sure if the juvenile (AVJuv09b) is Eleanor. Size fit, and baldpatch could fit too. But Iยดm not sure if I can see Eleanorยดs head scar or if it is actually a light effect ๐
sorry, here I donยดt have a solid opinion...
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
great, Thanks!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
No problem! Thanks for checking
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
I have some issues with these:
ACP000fucj
ACP000fuck
ACP000fuclEleanor was confirmed in ACP000fucj, so it should be also tagged in ACP000fuck
ACP000fucl ๐ . Anyway, if this chimp is still under consideration for being Eleanor, I agree ๐Posted
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
Same to ACP000fu6a
Eleanor has been confirmed (tagged) in ACP000fu69 , the clip directly before in that series.
ACP000fu69 19-Jan-2015 11:02 0043_0 Eleanor
ACP000fu6a 19-Jan-2015 11:02 0043_15
I see Eleanorยดs head scar there ๐
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
Thanks Nuria,
We confirmed Eleanor in 2 of those videos yesterday and I forgot to tag the whole sequences. done ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to PauDG's comment.
Ahhhh!! I had missed that part :S
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
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by AnLand moderator
The big juvenile in ACP000g48r seem to have a damaged left ear. Eleanor? She is probably also the female juvenile in ACP000g48t and ACP000g48v, although the damage is hard to see.
Better seen in video.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
I agree! this is Eleanor. Thanks Anja
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
We never solved this proposal, and I think that the scar is clear, what do you think?
"I think this could be also Eleanor because of the bald
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by Boleyn moderator
It's a female and the balding fits, so yes, I think it's Eleanor ๐
Could the couple in front be Desta and Azize? I could imagine Desta's "messy" swelling looking like this when it's at its max. Additionally the brows and camera reaction of the infant are quite typical for Azize.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Yes!! they are, you are right.
Thanks a lot Heidi ๐
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