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Sabirah (AVJuv07b)--Very patient female chimp

  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    ACP000exqn @charly03 tagged this young female chimp in the dappled sun and I found some more. She was at this log on 10-23-2014 from 15:27 and stayed until 15:50 when another female and a juvenile arrived and it seems like she left with them. That's 23 minutes of waiting. I think she deserves a number for being so very patient 😉

    Here is the whole series:

    ACP000exqk ACP000exqm ACP000exqn ACP000exqo 15:27 Sitting on the log waiting.

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    ACP000expd ACP000expe ACP000expf ACP000expg 15:31 Still waiting.

    ACP000exxz ACP000exy0 ACP000exy2 ACP000exy4 15:36 She's getting a bit tired.

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    ACP000exsx ACP000exsy ACP000exsz ACP000ext0 15:39 Back to sitting.

    ACP000exsp ACP000exsq ACP000exsr ACP000exss 15:41 Still sitting.

    ACP000expx ACP000expy ACP000expz 15:50 Finally time to move on when the juvenile seen below & a female arrive!

    Of course there's always the chance I'm anthropomorphizing but that's what I think happened 😉

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    Here are some face shots of this patient female chimp. I think she is young. She has a face that is light all over and light ears which are fairly large. The top of the right ear has a small notch. Her nose is short and the nostrils are large. The bottom lip seems to protrude slightly and catch the light. Her pale brow has a very slight curve in the middle but is basically straight.

    ACP000exqm Face views, note the ear notch.

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    Oh, @snorticus, thanks a lot for this nice collection! When I yesterday in the evening had seen the found of charly, I too was eager to find more of this special little lady, but had no time. Now I can have a deeper look at her. Something in my belly says, that I know this face, something black&white and toolworking. But I need a bit of time to look deeper into that belly-feeling 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    hi all, thanks a lot for all this videos and all the details. Nice pictures!

    @Luca, do you want to think about the possible match a little bit more? if you have a proposal I will add her as AVjuvXb (X= the match proposed)

    I think I will add her in the juveniles part, saying that she is an old juvenile, as we do with the old-juvenile males.

    Thanks all 😉

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    Ok. My belly-feeling 😃
    Some of the description lead me to AVJuv07. White nostrils, slightly grey beard, little ncut in the right ear, light face ec.
    But Im quite unsure now, and I think my belly was wrong 😃 . The eyebrows of AVJuv07 seems much more protruding. So maybe you can have a look on both?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    hahah, I like your belly-feeling!!! That was also my thought, specially because of the big nostrils, but we can try to find a little detail to help us. Let's try with the cut in the right ear, although I am not sure the right ear is visible in AVJuv07.

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    It must be somewhere visible, as I wrote this into the dscription: " a little cut in the right ear," : see here

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    the right ear is visible in this video ACP000fwil, but is quite dark

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    I tried to lighten up the shots, so maybe our "ear-specialists" can do a closer look? Personally Im not sure anymore that I see the cut ... but anyway for me they look really similar?

    From ACP000fwil (AVJuv07)

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    As contrast our patient little girls ear-sight:

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    The first picture is from AVJuv07? I think I can see something there

    definitely I can see the same nose....

    Thanks Luca for these light variations 😃

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    Yes, the first two pictures is Juv07 (I edited, and yes, I had the same idea about the noses.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Great!

    Any other opinion? We can wait a little bit if someone wants tell us his opinion.

    Thanks Luca!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Ey Luca, we both think that AVJuv07 and AVJuv07b are the same. Maybe you can select a name for her so we can add her in the known list. If anyone wants to comment something all comments are very welcome! 😉

    Thanks Luca!

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    Oh, I would love to name her! She is so special in her infinitely patience. I will think about a name that will fit her.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Wonderful! Thanks 😉

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    My first thought was --- naturally --- to name her "patience" ... but it seemed to easy for this special little girl ... so I thought of choosing the same in the meaning, but different language : In Arabian, the name Sabirah means - of great patience. I think Sabirah fits for this beautiful small lady, Im sure she will become an experienced female ... with essential skill for surviving: patience 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I really really like it, it is a great name.

    Thanks a LOT!

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus in response to luca-chimp's comment.

    Very pretty!

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    great choice, @luca-chimp, so very apt for that lovely young female!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    😉

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    Dated January 4, 2015 at 14:20:26

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    #Marlyn is tagged here and I think the young female with him is #Sabirah as we see her 3 minutes later in the same spot by herself after Marlyn walks off after cracking his nut (which he doesn't eat for some reason). Interesting to see the two interact a little.

    ACP000fwf9 Sabirah with her big nostrils and fairly straight brow:

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    ACP000fwfb Compare to this young chimp's nostrils, face, and slim body and size:

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

    Hi Snorticus. I agree, this is Sabirah.
    Does everyone agree?
    Thanks a lot!

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    Agree 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Thanks 😃

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    AnLand found more clips of Sabirah on October-23-2014 at 15:46

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    And more Sabirah same day at 15:32

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Good! thanks a lot

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    ACP000fwe7 seems to belong to the known Sabirah sequence.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Yes, it is her 😉

    Thanks AnLand!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    ACP000fw8s (found by @Rozza and @bannd67) looks like Sabirah (with Marlyn?) to me.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi AnLand, I agree this is Sabirah, and the other could be Marlyn, but also Shugi or AVJuv02b/AVJuv03b, right? Is there any adult around?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi all. I think this old-juvenile should be Sabirah, the size and shape fit. Would you agree?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    And I think here she is again 😉

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    I agree Paula, those look like Sabirah's swelling. Size fits as well.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Good, Thanks a lot!!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    In ACP000f6g5 seems to be Sabirah walking. It's an adolescent female and ACP000f6g3 and ACP000f6g4 (untagged) show that the left ear is intact which excludes Eleanor. Video found by @midnightsun.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I agree, that is Sabirah. thanks!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I think that in juvenile in ACP000etvd is Sabirah. Ears are OK and all other traits fit.

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I also think that the adolescent female in ACP000ee57 is Sabirah. A face view is in the intagged videos before ACP000ee54 / ACP000ee55 / ACP000ee56. As the videos are paused, I am not sure whether it is OK to post them here, but I needed them for the match proposal.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

    I agree, ACP000etvd is Sabirah. And in ACP000ee57 seems her too.

    Thanks!

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