Taiga & inf and Marini--Chimp ID
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by puddock
Lovely view of a relaxed adult female chimp with an infant clinging to her front - could this be Makena?
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by Boleyn moderator
Sorry haven't seen that you were writing a comment in the objects. π
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by puddock
Yes - I'm never sure whether to start a conversation here or in the comments section π
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by AnLand moderator
Sorry, guys, I did not see these postings. I will move the discussion to the AV-15 board.
My personal opinion is that this is Taiga and her infant. The swelling looks from the side view a bit more protruded than I imagined, but the facial features (uneven brows, lighter and close eyes, big nostrils ...) all fit. We know that Taiga has a newborn in summer 2014.
Taiga confirmed:
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by AnLand moderator
I also want to note that a small juvenile seems to follow her in ACP000ez9y. That would be in agreement with this sequence ACP000gfth and ACP000gfti a week earlier of a female with a newborn and a juvenile following.
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by AnLand moderator
In ACP000f3h3 (and ACP000f3h5) , just days later, we have the same situation: a female with a very small infant - here supported by her hand - is followed by a small juvenile. I actually think that it is a little girl in all instances. But that would be strange as we did not really see Taiga followed by a small juvenile.
I would rule out in all cases Makena, as the female here is more robust and the swelling (unswollen, of course) is more protruded.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Hi all!
I agree that is Taiga, and that the juvenile seen with the female and the infant is a female. I think in all the videos we had until now there were more females and juveniles around, that is why we didn't realized before.
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by AnLand moderator
Great!
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
π
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by AnLand moderator
In ACP000fsqr, we see the same kind of family: a female with a young infant and a younger juvenile. Might be Taiga again, the facial traits of her and the juvenile fit. Also her swelling fits. As it is already December 2014, the infant is bigger now. (Although, I have to admit that the juvenile here does not look like a girl to me.)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
mmm I am not sure about this. I took a look to the whole sequence, but we are missing one video ( ACP000fsql
ACP000fsqn xxx
ACP000fsqr).There are more chimps, but actually didn't help me π
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by AnLand moderator
Oh yes, I did not look into the full minute and missed the videos. So, in the new context, I still think it is Taiga with her infant, but before her it is: Filou, followed by Kamala(?), then Sabirah(?), the male juvenile could be Marlyn. The missing video is ACP000fsqp - but no new chimps are seen here.
As in the first videos we've seen from Taiga, it is not obvious that she has a small juvenile as well.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
but then where is AVJuv15 (oldest Taiga's offspring)? What would you think about Sekai and inf?
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by AnLand moderator
I just see here fitting facial traits and swelling for Taiga. I also think that Sekai is not this robust, but leaner. More, we did see Taiga in several contexts without the female juvenile that is now AVJuv15 - in ACP000emjk Taiga is joint by a small male juvenile; in ACP000ef7i a quite big male juvenile / adolescent is joining her; in ACP000esic no further kid, but Lya is walking with her.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
mmm yes, the juvenile could be behind the camera anyway, or not with them at all. It is just that I am not 100% sure.
Can someone weigh in on Taiga's proposal? Thanks π
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by Boleyn moderator
Paula, the female with infant in video ACP000ftts was considered to be Taiga in this discussion: some suggestions (Ex-Willa) but she is not yet tagged. It's in post 5 on page 2. Thanks
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by AnLand moderator
When Taiga indeed had a newborn in summer 2014, it can't be her as this infant is bigger and we've seen Taiga with a really small one in the same month.
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by AnLand moderator
I believe that ACP000epyu and ACP000epyw are Taiga and her little one. There is a decent face view in the second video and ifant size agrees.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Hi @Boleyn
I think in that comment we said that we wanted to split the match where this female was, and some of the other females in that match ended being Taiga, but not this one. I would say that could be Sekai... slim, young... what do you think?
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by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
I agree that in ACP000epyu and ACP000epyw is Taiga @AnLand!
Do you @Bolyen? Thanks
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by Boleyn moderator
Oh I see, I wasn't sure which one is which π Agree on Taiga for ACP000epyu and ACP000epyw although it's more a hunch than certainty.
For ACP000ftts : yes if it's not Taiga then it most probably is Sekai. Those two look quite alike. π She has a small infant as well (carried ventrally in September) so I could agree on her beeing Sekai.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Thanks!!
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by AnLand moderator
I think in ACP000g0jw we see Taiga with her infant and juvenile. My opinion is mostly based on family composition, time line, and general appearance. Swelling fits, size and face view of juvenile as well. (But, of course, it's debatable as we don't have Taiga's face view and nothing really to compare the juvenile with.)
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
I agree Anja,
We don't have a name for the juvenile yet (AVJuv15) let's ask some of the new volunteers π
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by Batfan
Thanks so much for inviting to name her Paula. Apologies for the delay in replying but I've had a hectic last couple of days and only just found your message. What do you think about Marini - Swahili for charming / pretty?
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Thanks Jane! wonderful name and meaning π
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Time ago we talked about the possibility of this female being Taiga. (https://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/boards/BCP000000s/discussions/DCP0001t3v pag 5 )
The swelling fits with Taiga, and if she really carries an (invisible) infant, also the family composition fits.
What do you think?
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by JoanaPereira
Hi,
IΒ΄m not sure, but I think that the swelling doesnΒ΄t look so protruded as in the other videos, but can also be because of the angle..
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
Tanks for checking Joana. We tried but it is a tricky one, so we leave it unidentified. Thanks!
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000g4u1 - this seems to be Taiga with her newborn infant, carried still by hand. Time is with the earliest videos of her infant and swelling agrees.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
not enough to do a match in my opinion
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by AnLand moderator
If this ACP000g4u1 is not enough to match we should reconsider ACP000f3h3 and ACP000gfth, too. We can't at one point decide that a female with a newborn is Taiga and later in a similar video in the same time frame not see enough. That does not make sense to me.
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by PauDG scientist, moderator
In the other videos we see her better
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