Desta and Azize--2 chimps habituated

by NuriaM scientist, moderator

just an idea, but maybe the guys in ACP000gpmn could be Fianna and Shuggi. The female´s left ear appears to me a bit straight at the top, and it remainds me a bit of Fianna´s. The (late) infant has round light brows, whilte beard and the left ear is similar to Shuggi´s. Shuggi has a very sloping fold in left ear (almost vertical), and is not completely round, but it forms a small angle at the end. I think the guy´s ear in ACP000gpmn might fit to Shuggi´s.

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thoughts?

Posted April 4, 2017 7:11 AM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

Thanks @NuriaM for the collage. So difficult!! could be Shugi and Fianna, but I think that the juvenile could be also Azize. I think I can see a scar in the left eyebrow, as Azize has.

What do you think?

Posted April 4, 2017 8:14 AM

by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

yes, this one is hard, but Azize makes sense too. I see the scar that you mean in left brow in both. Their ear shapes fit too. So she could be Desta then?

more thoughts?

Posted April 4, 2017 8:51 AM

by Boleyn moderator

At the first moment I also thought that Desta and Azize would be my pick for this pair because Desta's left ear has this straight line at the top and Azize's brows are quite typical. But the longer I think about it the more I have my doubts. Not about the match but about both couples. Did we ever think about those two beeing the same female and juvenile?

Azize and Shugi have the same size, thick brows, big ears, same face mask colouring and above all the same big, pinkish hands and feet... just something to think about.

So much for the moment. When I'll have more time I'll try to look into this deeper.

Desta just above in Paula's post and here (for the ear comparison):

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Fianna here:

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And Azize in Paula's post and Shugi here:

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Posted April 4, 2017 12:42 PM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

Hi @Boleyn,

I think the cut in the right ear that Fianna has is not visible in Desta, right?

Desta (ACP000emm9 )

Fianna (ACP000emi2 )

Posted April 4, 2017 1:54 PM

by Boleyn moderator

No luckily you're right, Paula 😃. Desta seems to have a little nick on top of her right ear but never as deformed an ear as Fianna! Am I happy that we don't have to merge them 😄

little nick:

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almost nothing to see here:

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Posted April 4, 2017 6:20 PM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

hahah

Do we go ahead and do the match between ACP000gpmn and Azize/Desta?

Thanks!

Posted April 5, 2017 8:21 AM

by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

thumbs up 

Posted April 5, 2017 10:11 AM

by Boleyn moderator

Sure, me too! 😄

Posted April 5, 2017 11:20 AM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

great!

Posted April 5, 2017 1:38 PM

by NuriaM scientist, moderator

What about these : ACP000euma ?

could they be Desta and Azize too?

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Posted April 7, 2017 8:11 AM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

I think so 😉

Posted April 7, 2017 8:16 AM

by Boleyn moderator

In this video ACP000emlm Eleanor is confirmed (the one lying on the log I think?) But there are more I think we know well:

The young female walking out of the frame first I think is Sabirah and the adult female following her looks very much like Desta. Thus I think the juvenile examining the camera might be Azize, Desta's offspring. We know that he sometimes walks alone from the same spot, about 3/4 hours later on the same day.

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Posted April 26, 2017 6:01 PM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

Hi @Boleyn!

I think that young female is a bit bigger than Kamala. Also Kamala appear in the same sequence, in the video ACP000emjy. This one could be Sabirah, don;t you think?

Posted April 27, 2017 10:22 AM

by Boleyn moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

uhm...?? scratch... I said Sabirah...

Paula, what do you think about Desta beeing the adult female?

Posted April 27, 2017 11:41 AM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

ACP000eml7 0021_0: Taiga & AVinf07

ACP000eml9 0021_15: Taiga & AVinf07

ACP000emla 0021_30 Taiga & AVinf07

ACP000emlb 0021_45 Taiga & AVinf07, Sabirah

ACP000emlo 0022_0 Taiga & AVinf07, Sabirah , Azize (winging), infant, fem? (far)

ACP000emlp 0022_15 Azize, Taiga & AVinf07, Sabirah , infant, fem?

ACP000emlr 0022_30 infant, Azize, Taiga & AVinf07, Sabirah , fem?

ACP000emlu 0022_45 Azize, Taiga & AVinf07, Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emk2 0023_0 Azize, Taiga & AVinf07, Desta (behind Taiga), Sabirah (laeving), infant, fem?

ACP000emk4 0023_15 Azize, Taiga & AVinf07, Desta , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emk6 0023_30 Taiga & AVinf07, Desta , Azize , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emk7 0023_45 Taiga & AVinf07 (leaving), Desta , Sabirah, Azize, infant, fem?

ACP000emjs 0024_0 Desta, Azize , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emjt 0024_15 Desta, Azize , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emju 0024_30 Desta, Azize , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emjv 0024_45 Desta, Azize , Sabirah, infant, fem?

ACP000emlq 0025_0 Jojo-Crann? , juvenile, juvenile, adult, adult,

ACP000emls 0025_15 Jojo-Crann? , juvenile, juvenile, adult, adult,

ACP000emlx 0025_45 Jojo-Crann? , juvenile, juvenile, adult, adult,

ACP000emlk 0026_0 chimp (leaving), juvenile, Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, juvenile, adult, adult, adult

ACP000emll 0026_15 Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, juvenile, adult, adult, adult, subadult, chimp ( selfie)

ACP000emlm 0026_30 chimp (selfie), Eleanor (lying down), Sabirah, female,

ACP000emln 0026_45 female (leaving), Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, adult, adult, ...

ACP000emjw 0027_0 Kamala , Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, adult, juv, adult, juv (playing with the branch)

ACP000emjx 0027_15 Kamala , Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, adult, juv, adult, juv (playing with the branch)

ACP000emjy 0027_30 Kamala , juvenile walking, Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, adult, juv, adult, juv

ACP000emjz 0027_45 Kamala (coming back) , Eleanor (lying down), juvenile, juvenile, adult, juv, adult, juv

ACP000emm6 0028_0 Filou, juvenile, juvenile, Azize & Desta , juvenile

ACP000emm9 0028_15 juvenile, Azize & Desta, juvenile

ACP000emmc 0028_30 Azize , Desta , juv

ACP000emme 0028_45 chimp

ACP000emk8 0029_0 chimp

ACP000emk9 0029_15 chimp

ACP000emka 0029_30 chimp

ACP000emkb 0029_45 chimp

ACP000emiw 0030_0 Baron

Posted April 27, 2017 12:01 PM

by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

Oh right! sorry!! i do not why I was thinking about Kamala.Then great!!!

Posted April 27, 2017 12:03 PM

by PauDG scientist, moderator

about the female... now I am confused.

I have added the identifications we have from those videos, and highlighted "Desta".... looks like she appears, disappears, and appears again....

Posted April 27, 2017 12:12 PM

by Boleyn moderator

Thank you so much Paula, awesome work!
Yes, that's what I think it happening. Maybe she gets a little snack and comes back later to socalize among the others?

Posted April 27, 2017 5:54 PM

by Boleyn moderator

Here's another video of which I think is Desta and Azize. I posted this first in the Science/Objects because I was too lazy to search this thread here. I move it now and delete it over there.

In ACP000ezv2 @lauraklynn found she said that the female might be recognised by the swelling. I'm not at all sure here, it's more a hunch but I think they could be Desta and Azize. She has some bald patches on her back I think and the little one has the bushy eyebrows and pale muzzle and the interest in the camera like Azize. The second pic shows Desta's swelling which looks a bit "messy" (I don't know how to express this otherwise 😃)

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