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Raj--Match proposal

  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    As there are different discussions and I am not sure about the status, I open here a new one about a video @Batfan found recently. It shows an adult female with pronouced baldness, straight brows and a medium-sized infant. ACP000fp35

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    I am quite sure that she is a match to AVFem05b in ACP000gfo6 and also to AVFem05.

    AVFem05

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    AVFem05b

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    I am not so sure about AVFem05c in that mix, but I will look into that more.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi AnLand, is here where we talked about AVFem05/05b/05c.

    Does it mean that you agree with the match between AVFem05/05b?

    I am not sure about this female ACP000fp35, I think the infant is a bit bigger....

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

    I understand that. I am also a bit struggling with the size of the infant. In my opinion, it is not so small anymore (that's why I said "medium-sized infant") and this would, for instance, exclude AVFem05c for me as her infant is younger and smaller. (And also her brows and that she is not that bald.) But it is really hard to see. I am not sure about that myself. I see rather the new female in the mix than AVFem05c. But that's all I can say.

    Maybe we could compare with Etta's infant: she is much bigger. And Taiga's is much smaller (but Taiga's infant is not much smaller in September 2014 at the same time we see AVFem05c and her ventral infant.) All just opinions. Don't know. Sorry!

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Did you already think about her (ACP000fp35) beeing Raj?
    I think they look a lot alike and although Raj is described with only a little balding in most of the videos of her we can see that her balding is wide and covers the entire forehead. We can also see the greyish legs and the brighter bushy hair on the inside of her elbows.

    The lady from ACP000fp35

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    Raj with her infant which has about the same size and features I think...

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    Raj in ACP000fxpn When you stop the video just when the infant jumps on her back you can see the similarities as well.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    good one @Bolyen! I think you are right.

    And also the infants have the same "M"-shaped eyebrows. I support this match between ACP000fp35 and Raj.

    @AnLand, what do you think?

    Thanks!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Yes, that is a good idea, but only for this new video / female here, right? Not for AVFem05 and similar proposals?

    She walks more confident than we've seen in Raj before, but in this very short distance, it's probably nothing.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    yes, only for the last video 😉

    great. Thanks!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Hi all, I think this female could be also Raj, same face/head shape ACP000gfs2

    What do you think?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Any opinion about this female being Raj?

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Paula, sorry I haven't seen this before. I agree on Ray because of her whitish beard, wide bald forehead and the little one fits too, especially it's ears sticking out like this 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Great! thanks a lot @Bolyen 😉

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Yes, the white spot on her eye is also seen.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    😄

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    ACP000g5k4 - seems to be Raj and her infant. The boxy head and spot near the left eye are well seen. Her infant has a special way to ride and we've seen this hand hold before. Video found by @Snorticus.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Great!! I think they are Raj & inf too.

    What is the special way of riding? Thanks

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I think that we see in ACP000ep5y Raj and infant. It's more a feeling based on the infant's way of riding and that we've seen Raj with that kind of swelling a day before in ACP000f014. Infant has the right size and seems to be a girl.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    You mentioned before the "way of riding" but why do you think is special? (sorry if you told me already but I do not remember it)

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

    It's the way she is close to her mother's body and her hands tight and parallel on her shoulders. (I know that you think we've also seen her relaxed and free sitting on her back, but - at the moment - I am not really convinced of these videos.) Most often she is holding close and high up on the back. Just my impression and colored by the notion that we (or I) think that Raj has a problem with her eye vision.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    my doubt is mostly because I don't understand well the "special" way of riding. I think other juveniles have a very similar posture

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    Do you think that the AVInf09's hands are more close to Raj's neck?

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

    But don't you think that Taiga's and Makena's infants are much smaller than this big infant on her back in ACP000ep5y? Makena is also grayer and slimmer. We did not see either of them cycling - and I think at least for Taiga with a newborn in July 2014, we would not expect this already in December of the same year. Etta on the other hand has - even not swollen - a very protruded swelling with lots of dark skin on the side.

    I don't think that it can be either of your suggestions. The infant is too big for Taiga and Makena and it looks to me that only the swollen parts are protruded. And we did see Raj the day before in the same cycling stage. Etta is at max_swelling at week later in ACP000e41h.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I was not proposing the other females as a match with ACP000ep5y, I was only talking about the way of riding. I would vote also for Raj being the one in ACP000ep5y, but I do not get what is the special infant's way of riding

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I starred now for a while at this video ACP000gl1v and I think that this is Raj with infant. Baldness, uneven brows, long face, infant. (I also have no better idea who else she could be.)

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    ufff, difficult one. I don't know, too fast and too close. It is hard to be sure

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    What about this one ACP000fyyw.
    The video is not very clear, but those "Popeye forearm" are unique! (still images are really bad)

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator in response to PauDG's comment.

    Could be, but I am not sure whether we could exclude here others. For me too speculative.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Maybe yes 😕

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