Chimp & See Talk

Sekai

  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Here we talked about this female ACP000ftts being maybe Sekai. Young female, round face, intact ears...

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    @Boleyn agreed and I also think is Sekai. Does someone else agree or disagree?

    Thanks!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I think that could be also Sekai. Round face, slim, dark back

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    ACP000fsqr

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    It's quite hard to tell. It could be Sekai but what about the juvenile? So far we have never seen her with a juvenile. Could it be Marini, Taiga's offspring? S/he has big ears, mask and brows look similar, size would also fit. What do you think, could the female be Taiga? She's got also a dark face and the swelling might fit as well which is better seen in the video while playing it slowly.

    Marini from ACP000g0jw

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    Juvenile from ACP000fsqr

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    Taiga confirmed:
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    Female from ACP000fsqr

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

    Maybe the juvenile is not her offspring, there are more chimps passing before in the same sequence:

    ACP000fsql: male (Filou?) juv
    ACP000fsqn: juv, biggerjuv
    ACP000fsqp: juv, inf (AVInf05?)
    ACP000fsqr: juv, fem & inf (Sekai & AVInf05?)

    If the male is really Filou, the juveniles could be Marlyn and Kamala.

    Anyway maybe it is not a super clear video, but I had to try 😉

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

    And what about this one? (the video is better than the still images)

    ACP000g13k

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Round muzzle, only little bent brows, coloring, yes this could be Sekai, at least I don't know who else it could be. 😕
    Do you think the size of the infant fits?

    Here 5 months later in January 15:

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I think so, quite small in both videos

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I think this is also Sekai. Slim female, young, face looks the same...

    ACP000g2un

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    Better to see the video

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Paula, I think you are right. Also the behaviour of her infant is very much like that of the little shoulder rider 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Thanks Heidi 😉

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    I think this is also Sekai 😉

    What do you think?

    ACP000e758

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    I always thought that this is Etta. Did we ever see Sekai with such a big swelling? I find the oval, irregular ear with the little dent in the lower part quite similar.

    Etta's girl looks a bit small here, but I think that's the perspective. Edit: ACP000epzp - three days before your new video - is a good size comparison when her little one is walking after / next to her.

    Etta and infant

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    I'm with @AnLand here, I think she looks more like Etta than Sekai.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    mmm I find Etta's nostrils bigger than the female in ACP000e758, but I am not against the proposal.

    Anja, to which ear do you refer with "I find the oval, irregular ear with the little dent in the lower part quite similar."?

    I am going to add her for now as AVFem05d

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    As we only see the left ear in the new video, I only could compare this. And for me it looks like Etta's left ear. I can't freally see much about the nostrils here from that side view to have an opinion, sorry.

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Just because I've seen this good comparison photo from Etta (from the confirmed ACP000ft1d video). You see how flat the nose is in that perspective.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Indeed, very similar to ACP000e758 (AVFem05d). Although I still seeing somehow those nostrils bigger than AVFem05d.

    I am not sure about this match, but if the rest is it's fine with me, because I am also not sure that they are not.

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    In ACP000fttr / ACP000ftts I see Sekai and her infant. Her face/head shape fits (although it is described as "round", I see it sort of elongated 😕 ), white beard, the brows shape (slightly straight, but curved in the center, light and short). Also, Sekai has a small "scar" on her right brow, which I can also see in the female of ACP000ftts:

    Sekai in ACP000g4dj :

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    ACP000ftts :

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    I don´t know if you can see what I mean from these stills, but if you pause both videos you will see it clearer 😃

    Agree on ACP000fttr / ACP000ftts = Sekai & baby

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    ACP000fsqp / ACP000fsqr

    hmmmm...here if found it very unclear. Infants size fit, but for some reason I find Sekai sort of younger or smaller/thinner and not so bald 😕

    Sekai in ACP000g2un (in the middle) :

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    ACP000fsqr :

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    sorry, no idea about this one, I would leave it untagged 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

    Thanks Nuria, I love your red arrows!

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.

    No problem. Thanks for giving a try!

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    ACP000g13k :agree.

    left: Sekai with infant confirmed in ACP000ftts . Right: ACP000g13k (turned image):

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    Same straight brows and baldness. Besides, I think I can see Sekai´s left ear notch in ACP000g13k .

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Great! Thanks Nuria 😉

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    ACP000fsqr - I don't think that this is Sekai. She looks different and the infant is too small, I think.

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    If we agree that ACP000g2un is Sekai, then ACP000e758 is also Sekai. Here also the swelling would agree and we now know (at least I did not see this before) that also Sekai has a very protruded swelling.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

    Thanks for checking Anja. Then I will give a prospective name to the female in ACP000fsqr

    Do you have any other match proposal? Do you think it is a "new" female?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

    great! I agree with the match ACP000e758- Sekai.

    Let's see what the others think, and specially Heidi who thought that ACP000e758 could be Etta

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Those AV-females are still very tricky, that's sure.
    I tried to compare Etta and Sekai once more. The problem here is, that we have no clear front view of the face in ACP000e758 and also no overall size comparison. So I checked ACP000gfo6 where we can see both of them in a similar position: Etta the first one and Sekai the third. It looks as if Sekai's hips are more bony than Ettas and maybe there's also a little hint of grey hairs on her back and on the backside of the legs thus it would be possible that it actually is Sekai in ACP000e758 because Etta is all black, right?

    Unfortunately the infants look very much alike - at least to me 😕

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Thanks a lot for checking Heidi!

    Yes, Etta is all black ( ACP000e44o)

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    So, do we do the match between AVFem05d - Sekai?? 😄

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Sorry, Paula, yes, I can agree now 😃

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Thanks!!!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    ACP000g33s - the female with the good face view (straight brow, big nostrils) with an infant look like Sekai with Nahema. She is again followed by a juvenile and we speculated before that it belongs to her. (So, AVJuv20 with a bit of a rounded back.)

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Could be but it is to dark for me to be sure

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Paula, does this help?
    I think I see Sekai's lanky gait. Not sure if I see flapping ears while she's walking. Infant size would fit. She might be too thin to be Taiga. I'm not sure about brows and face though.

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Only Makena, Raj, Taiga and Sekai have such a small infant, right? For sure is not Makena or Raj, but I am not convince that she is Sekai. Could be other female, one of the prospectives.
    Sorry, I am not sure.

    Thanks for the picture Heidi!

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Could she get a temp ID then perhaps?

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  • PauDG by PauDG scientist, moderator

    Fem23

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