Kalypso: Same young female chimp?
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by midnightsun
Is the young female chimp in ACP000d9w8 and ACP000d9x8 maybe the same chimp? She looks small, but with a big swelling. Narrow face with a bit round brows and a triangular balding. I think the ears are OK.
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by Boleyn moderator
Thanks for posting this @midnightsun At first sight they have some things in common but.....we don't see that much from the face of ACP000d9x8 but to me this one looks a bit different. The face of ACP000d9w8 looks thinner but longer and has some greyish hairs and the balding is wider than the one from ACP000d9x8 which seems to have all black hair. But maybe it's just the different lighting. Let's wait what the others say to your proposal 😃
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by AnLand moderator
Hm, it is not really obvious - maybe due to the light - but the structures (brows, balding, narrow face, and also the swelling) are very similar. Especially, if you look further in the video in ACP000d9xa. They are both quite small. But I am not really sure, unfortunately. At other sites, we often had not so many young females without an offspring. So, it's also likely.
Face view (if you discount the light and that once the mouth is opened, which makes the face even longer)
Swelling and body build (it's the same tree just days apart, so one can compare well the small body)
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
Hi all,
these two ladies do look very similar: body build, etc. However, I have some problems with claiming that they are the same. I see slightly diffent faces and swellings:
swellings: to me the chimp on the left´s swelling ( #GSFem09 ) looks more triangular and the one on the right ( #GSFem09b ) more square.
Faces: Fem09´s look a bit longer to me. Brows are curved too, while Fem09b´s brows look more straight. Baldpatches look different too:
But thanks @midnightsun , for the moment they get temporary IDs 😃
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by midnightsun
Okay, but I tried. Maybe next time! 😉
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
But you found two great videos, with beautiful face views! and you were very close, they really do look very similar and I had difficulties to make up my mind... we could also give them an ID, that´s awesome 😃
Good job @midnightsun !!!!
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by AnLand moderator
This video ACP000d9ls, found by @lauraklynn, seems to be #GSFem09 again. They look very similar and it's just half an hour later than the known sequence.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
Agreed 😃
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by midnightsun
@Scrompie found another female on her own at the same tree in ACP000d6lr. I cannot see much, but if I had to choose, I think she looks more like #GSFem09b. (I searched for the other videos and found in ACP000d6lu more of her face.)
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
thanks @midnightsun !
Hmmm, could be. We don´t see much of her face, just the left side. But left ear and brow look very alike; their sizes fit and coloration too. It might be just the light and/or a swelling phase effect, but I see those swellings slightly different. GSFem09b´s swelling seems to be a bit more wrinkled:
But I think you might be right 😃
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by midnightsun
I checked out the sorted chimps list for Green Snowflake. The following videos should all be of #GSFem09. It starts with ACP000d9w8 at 15:27 (14 May 2013) and then ACP000d9g0, ACP000d9bq, ACP000d9ls, and ACP000d9au (16:01, the other videos are in between of these two time stamps). I think that it is her the whole time.
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by midnightsun
There was this last female I posted here in ACP000d6lr. She also seems to be in ACP000d6jc, ACP000d5y0, ACP000d6pq, ACP000d67a, ACP000d5w1, and ACP000d6km (all around the same time on the same day). I am not sure about any match here anymore.
Better face view from ACP000d6km
And from ACP000d5y0
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
Thanks, they are GSFem09 😃
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
...and
#GSFem10 😃
THANKS!!
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by midnightsun
I have to admit that I cheated a bit and confirmed my hunch on body size and build by checking out another clip from this sequence. But I got excited by these young females before and think that we see GSFem09b again three months earlier in February 2013 in ACP000d8bw. The video shows the same small and short-legged stature. The swelling looks totally different, but we assume cycling, right? ACP000d8bu from the same minute confirms the face view, I think.
This is a screenshot from May 2013
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by AnLand moderator
I would agree on a match proposal here.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
so would I!
thanks @midnightsun , you have found GSFem09b again 😃
what about a name??
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by midnightsun
Thank you so much! I would like to propose Kalypso for this young female. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calypso_(mythology) , but with the German spelling, which I like better.)
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
What a beautiful name!
Kalypso, a lonely goddess and a lonely lady chimp...gorgeous, thanks!!
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by Boleyn moderator
@MonaB and @AnLand found more of GSFem09. Same afternoon as confirmed videos but about one hour later. ACP000dabo
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks 😃
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