Blondie and Fanny: Match proposal for our blondie GSFem13
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by Boleyn moderator
Somehow I'm wondering why nobody came up with that proposal until now. ๐ The chimp lady with the blond head in videos ACP000dpm3 ACP000dpm4 ACP000dph8 from March 18th looks exactly like GSFem13. Same only slightly bent, protruding brows, white hair around the muzzle, wide nose close to the mouth etc.
The one in front of the trunk might be Siena with infant but I have to look into that more. For now I concentrate on GSFem13:
From ACP000dpm3
with the same funny infant with the polished looking head in ACP000dpm4
and walking to and sitting in the back in ACP000dph8
confirmed GSFem13 from January 21st:
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by Snorticus
@lauraklynn noted ACP000dpm3 as Gaia & @NuriaM agreed and added ACP000dpm1 in the Gaia discussion on pg. 3 but it doesn't seem to have been marked as definitely Gaia.
Full series: ACP000dpm1 ACP000dpm2 ACP000dpm3 ACP000dpm4
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by Snorticus
ACP000dph8 - You mentioned in the Gaia thread but @NuriaM expressed doubts about the infant size.
So - are we sure the very white headed female by the log is actually Gaia or do we have 2 similar looking individuals? I've been looking for a while and can't quite decide if it is just a difference of lighting.
The log gal's hair seems fluffier and lighter to me. Forest Gaia ACP000d9ky has a pronounced bald spot that I don't see in log chimp ACP000dpm3 but again, it could be a light effect or her head could be wet.
ACP000d9ky Forest Gaia ![enter image description here]
(https://static.zooniverse.org/www.chimpandsee.org/subjects/56b1e0328f753200018f3d7d/previews/56b1e0328f753200018f3d7d_5.jpg)ACP000dpm3 Log gal with white hair
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by Snorticus in response to Boleyn's comment.
@Boleyn - Agree with you that ACP000dpm3 ACP000dpm4 ACP000dph8 are all GSFem13 - Sorry I got sidetracked a bit! ๐ I'm confused about whether these are also Gaia as had been previously discussed.
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by AnLand moderator
I just want to add here ACP000doi4 and ACP000drm8 (same day, on the two locations that we think are close). In agreement with descriptions by @Boleyn above. And I think rather GSFem13 than Gaia, but I am not entirely sure. My main arguments against Gaia would be that her infant seems to be bigger and the balding is different.
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by Boleyn moderator
Thank you for your input, ladies!
This Gaia / GSFem13 comparison is quite tough but I think @NuriaM came finally up with an own ID for GSFem13 because her infant is bigger in February than Gaia's in May.Other than that I think GSFem13 has some more bright/blond hair also in the neck and her balding is less complete than that of Gaia. But as @Snorticus already pointed out it might just be the light. Maybe those two are close relatives?
Concerning @AnLands addition I also think it's rather GSFem13 than Gaia because of the size of the infant and the really blond head.
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by Snorticus in response to Boleyn's comment.
ACP000dpmn - This also looks like GSFem13 at the log again.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
ACP000dpm3 ACP000dpm4 ACP000dph8 = GSFem13
ACP000doi4 and ACP000drm8 = GSFem13
ACP000dpmn is GSFem13 again
not Gaia for the reasons that @Snorticus explains. Hair, baldness, head shape donยดt fit with Gaiaยดs but with GSFem13ยดs.
@Boleyn, it looks like we all agree...would you think of a name for this blondie mom? ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
Thank you @NuriaM, very kind!
Please bear with me but I need to name her Blondie. I'm calling her like this since the first time I've seen her and I couldn't find a Swahili expression for blond ๐ ๐
The alternative would be Debbie after Debbie Harry, the Blondie singer but I like Blondie better.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
I love Blondie!! remember Blondieยดs "Heart of Glass" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU . I was only a small child when it was released, but it sounded constantly on the radio ๐
Great name!
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by Boleyn moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
โซ โช uh-uhhh o-ohhh โซ ๐
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by Snorticus in response to Boleyn's comment.
Blondie is great for this gal, good choice. Boleyn!
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by Boleyn moderator
More of Blondie here ACP000dpht (already confirmed in video ACP000dphu of this series).
I think we might add also a tag for GSFem12 and infant to this video as well as to ACP000dphu. It's the same day and around half an hour earlier as the confirmed videos of both.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks @Boleyn ,
yes, Blondie and GSFem12 (+infants) are seen in
ACP000dpmn
ACP000dphu
ACP000dpht (I would rather not tag this video until it is classified)
ACP000dpm3
ACP000dpm4
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by Boleyn moderator
ooops, sorry, @NuriaM, I copied the wrong video. I had ACP000dphw for classification, not dpht. ๐ฆ
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
ACP000dphw tagged ๐
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by midnightsun
ACP000dsb3 - this is Blondie I think. Do both kids belong to her?
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by Boleyn moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
This looks very much like Blondie, you're right @midnightsun! As for the juvenile: good question! I actually think so although we (or I) haven't considered this possibilty yet. But in video ACP000dsjn we see that there are two infants and two juveniles around, so I think this must be her older offspring. But Llet's wait what @NuriaM means.
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by Boleyn moderator
Another one of Blondie and GSFem12: ACP000dpfw just a little earlier than confirmed ACP000dph8
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by lauraklynn moderator
Family portrait ๐:
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
thanks guys ๐
ACP000dsb3 = Blondie
ACP000dpfw = Blondie
ACP000dscm = Blondie
As for the juveniles...here I need your help. Blondie is often seen with a juvenile, but not always. I have been checking the list, and to me this juvenile looks very much like GSJuv04:
GSJuv04 in ACP000ds1o , seen with GSFem11 and Katie:
juvenile seen with Blondie in ACP000dsb3 :
and in ACP000dscm , with Blondie too:
to me they all look the same, face traits fit, size too. I see like two spots above the quite straight brows in all cases. Juveniles often travel independently, but near their mothers, so the context could agree with my GSJuv04 theory...what do you guys think?
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by Boleyn moderator
Absolutely, Nuria! This juvenile has quite the unique face. Given that Blondie's younger infant is also bald this juvenile could well be her offspring. I mean they look like siblings, don't they?
LOL @Lauraklynn, they really look as if they were posing for the family album ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks Heidi ๐
so if we all agree, we could name this juvenile too.
@midnightsun , you have found this juvenile in ACP000dsb3 , would you like to give us a name for:
GSJuv04, ACP000dsb3 , ACP000dscm ?
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by AnLand moderator
I agree to a match of the juvenile with Blondie in ACP000dsb3 and ACP000dscm, but Blondie isn't around in ACP000ds1o. And we did see Katie - who is present - with a juvenile of the same size and appearance quite close in ACP000dlwl. I would be careful here. Juveniles are hard to match and they often display similar traits at any one site (here again more pronouced baldness than in the Western sites). Without any clear traits, maybe better go with (close) association? Then I would vote for: ACP000dsb3 and ACP000dscm as Blondie's older offspring, but for ACP000ds1o and ACP000dlwl I would go with Katie's juvenile.
(I also think that if you compare the left ears, Katie's juvenile = GSJuv04 has a very oval ear close to the head. The new juvenile (Blondie's) ear stick out more the have a visible bridge).
GSFem11 has an infant and another juvenile close to her, so I think GSJuv04 belongs indeed to Katie.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
Thanks Anja, you are right, although these juveniles are very alike, I guess itยดs better to be careful and accept them as different individuals with different females. So hereยดs what you think that would make sense:
Two matches:
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The Katie context: GSJuv04 = ACP000dlwl
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The Blondie context: ACP000dsb3 = ACP000dscm
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by Snorticus
ACP000dpfs - another part of Blondie series here.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.
Thanks ๐
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000do1a (found by @Corcaroli) - is a nice portrait of Blondie and her kids. Did we confirm the juveniles, or is the discussion still open? I am asking because no name is given and @midnightsun might be waiting for a decision about which to name. ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
Thanks Anja,
yes, this is Blondie again.
I think your suggestion is the most sensible, so I go for two matches:
GSJuv04 = ACP000dlwl (Katieยดs juv.)
ACP000dsb3 = ACP000dscm = ACP000do1a (Blondieยดs juv). This is the one where midnightsun took part (found ACP000dsb3 )
@midnightsun, do you want to give us a name for Blondieยดs juvenile?
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by AnLand moderator
I just checked and think, Blondie's juvenile is a female.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
yes, but the video where you can see it is still unclassified: ACP000do1b
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by AnLand moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
Yes, but this does not change her sex. ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
LOL! I know ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
LOL ...well, today you'll never know ... 8D ๐
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by midnightsun
Sorry for the delay, I was not sure how you wanted to proceed. For Blondie's older daughter I suggest Fanny (the composer). Thanks!
[For the only English speaking guys: you would pronounce "funny", but it's a very sweet name, I think; not a joke.]
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
I love it! Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel, it is great that so important women are mentioned and honored here.
She was a great composer, but very often her pieces were thought to belong to her brother Felix. We women had always to fight against our invisibility, and this is a great chance that we have to give them the light that they always deserved.
I am an absolute ignorant about classical music, but I love her Notturno.
Thanks!!!!!
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by AnLand moderator
Great name! Love her music!
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000di14 - This is a pure guess, but I find them very much alike to Blondie's family. The balck-and-white makes it hard to see for sure the whitish hair, though.
Robust female with light head, a tringular face, protruded brows and a small infant. Another juvenile of Fanny's size is in the back. She has a gray back and a very small swelling like Blondie. I did not see the visibly hanging breasts with Blondie.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
I agree that these are Blondi & co. :
Blondie in ACP000dsay :
and ACP000di13 :
as you say, sizes fit. Also, I see the same facial expression in Blondie.
More opinions?
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
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As for Fanny, this is really hard, but:
Left ACP000di12 , right Fanny in ACP000dscm
Sizes fit, brows shape too. Both have puffy face sides...
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by Boleyn moderator
I just came across another Blondie clip: ACP000dpft
The other one seems to be GSFem12. I have no indication of time yet but it's probably around the same time asBlondie in the back
GSFem12 in front
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks Heidi ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
More Blondie and friends found by @Batfan: ACP000dsb2
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
tagged...we are still waiting for the other femaleยดs name ๐ฆ
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by Boleyn moderator
Yet another Blondie clip together with with GSFem12 and infants found by @Corcaroli: ACP000dpjt
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Great!
video belonging to the Blondie + GSFem12 series, so no match to GSFem12 ๐ฆ
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by Boleyn moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
Time will come, Nuria! ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
haha, always keep possitive...mostly when the winter is there and itยดs sooooo cold outside ๐
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by lauraklynn moderator
Here are Blondie and Fanny again ACP000dr8u
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to lauraklynn's comment.
Thanks Laura ๐
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000dohk - the adult female looks like Blondie
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
thank you!
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by Boleyn moderator
More of Blondie and Kiana and their families in ACP000dri7 found by @Jeni92127
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
thanks, a funny playschool ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
@Batfan found Blondie and family in ACP000drld and @AnLand in ACP000drlg ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
great! thanks ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
@lauraklynn found more of Blondie with infant and Fianna in ACP000dry8
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
you mean Fanny, right? Fianna is at Aged Violet ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
Yes sure, sorry, I'm starting to mess up all these names ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
no worries! ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
@Corcaroli found a new video ACP000dqyq with Blondie and Kiana and their families. A peaceful wood-eating scene:
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by Boleyn moderator
Yet another "the Blondie family" movie found by @Corcaroli ACP000dri0 ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
More of Blondie and Kiana and there families in ACP000drrl found by @charly03 and in ACP000drro found by @happyamy
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by Boleyn moderator
Found by @midnightsun and commented: Blondie and family in ACP000dshe for sure ๐ Most likely also Kiana with offspring. Kiana is right behind Blondie. We only get a look at ther in a yet unclassified clip.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks Heidi!
in ACP000dshe , I think the one behind the log is Bohr (confirmed in other clips of that series).
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by Boleyn moderator
Blondie and infant as well as GSFem12 with infant in ACP000dpfo need confirmation. 8 minutes after last confirmed sequence. Thanks!
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by Boleyn moderator
In ACP000ds73 ACP000ds74 ACP000ds75 we have Blondie and Kiana with their families.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanksssss ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
Blondie and infant dropping by in ACP000dohp ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
Danke!!
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by Snorticus
ACP000dpo2 @Batfan found Blondie. ACP000dpo1 - Blondie also here found by Anja and I don't know who the other chimp is, @NuriaM Do you?
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.
Thanks Dawna!
these are part of the Blondie + GSFem12 sequece.
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by puddock
The chimp at the front of this video is very grey - wondered if it could be Blondie?
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to puddock's comment.
hi @puddock , I have merged your discussion to the Green Snowflake board ๐
yes, the chimp in ACP000ds0a is Blondie with her juvenile Fanny and with Loika (Kianaยดs juvenile). This video belongs to the series: ACP000ds03 / ACP000ds07 / ACP000ds0a
good eye!! ๐
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by puddock
Great! ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
Anja suggested it now in the video and some time ago on page 4 of this thread: I support Blondie and family in ACP000di13
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
yes, Blondie and her kids ๐
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by midnightsun
I want to ask something about ACP000di13 etc. for Blondie and family. I don't really question the match (it really looks like her), but I looked into the adjacent videos of this afternoon and thought a lot about all the other chimps there and I can't match them to any other chimp of Blondie's group. Not this one: ACP000dhc2. Not this one: ACP000dhp2 (no, not Eliot). Not this adolescent female: ACP000dhz2 (not Petra and the known "daughters" aren't so big).
In addition, in ACP000dh9f towards the end of this hour (time from spreadsheet), there are two researchers following a chimp. We've never seen any researchers with group 1, right? They should be Ngogo chimps, or?
I still think, she looks somehow like Blondie, but it's the only tagged b/w video of her as well.
So, what do we expect here. Can she even be Blondie or not?
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by Boleyn moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
You might be up to something here, @midnightsun, the more I think about it the more I think that there is some inconsistency. I do also not fully question the match but here are my thoughts:
She seems to be with another group
her legs should be brigther
I can't see any hair on her head. Blondie's forehead is bald but she has very bright hair that can be seen also in frontal view
She has a very bright nape
her upper lip is full and wide
her infant is completely bald
Fanny's face is very dark with a brighter muzzle, so part of her face in the b/w coverage should be as dark as the adult's one.now compare to:
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by AnLand moderator
Yes, I agree to that. Great find!
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
Wow, great detective job @midnightsun!
I agree that she might not be Blondie (although she really looks like her,)...as midnightsun mentions, the context doesnยดt fit, and also Heidi you are right about their traits. But we have some other white-headed chimps (males, like Bud) here and other sites, this trait is not that rare. So we have another white-headed female at GS apart from Blondie.
Hereยดs what Iยดll do: undo the match ACP000di12 / ACP000di13 / ACP000di14 / ACP000di15 = Blondie and family ,
and give them tempIDs: GSFem41 & GSInf41 + GSJuv17
thanks a million, that was a super find ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to midnightsun's comment.
Heidi, can I ask you please to remove your hashtags in ACP000di12, ACP000di14 and ACP000di15 ?
Thanks ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to NuriaM's comment.
done ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Danke!! ๐
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000dpr1 - I suggest that this is Fanny with Blondie's legs close to the tree. I know there is not much to see and the juvenile looks male (is Fanny a boy after all???), but the traits (size and round body of the juvenile, gray legs of the adult) fit Fanny and Blondie and in addition we know from other videos that the "fallen tree" location is very close and how directionality works between both places and Blondie and Fanny arrive at the fallen tree two minutes later in ACP000do1a, so that would work.
It's the only chimp video from that day at the fallen tree.
We need to check the time stamp again, when the new video is in the spreadsheet.
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by Boleyn moderator in response to AnLand's comment.
Your argumentation makes sense to me. Compare the tuft in the following video ACP000do1b. It really looks alike and built and belly fit ๐
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
absolutely,
Above Fannyยดs tuft there is a round spot:
Fanny in ACP000do1b :
and ACP000dpr1 :
thank you ladies ๐
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by AnLand moderator
ACP000dr0r - this little nightchimp seems to be Fanny. Blondie's family is here recorded until 30 minutes before. Body size and roundness as well as visible traits would agree.
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator
sorry, I canยดt tell. Could be, the context could make sense, but itยดs nevertheless very uncertain.
Fanny has a small bald patch above her tuft ( ACP000do1c )
which I canยดt see in ACP000dr0r :
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by Boleyn moderator
Sorry, I can't tell either. I'm not even sure if they have the same size. Fanny's legs seem to be a little longer?
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by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
thanks ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
This looks like Fanny in the background and Loika coming forward in ACP000dohk ACP000dohl ACP000dohm ACP000dohn Fanny only in the first and the last clip. Loika's dark face can be seen shortly in first video.
Fanny is pretty clear when you compare her to this still:
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by Boleyn moderator
More of Fanny I assume in ACP000doi4 ACP000doi5 ACP000doi6 Face is pretty well seen. No good still though.
Blondie just went by in the first clip.Posted
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by Boleyn moderator
Another Blondie video ACP000dokk with Infant and Fanny
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by Boleyn moderator
This juvenile looks like Fanny in ACP000dqdl. It's the end of that busy scene at the water hole and she was here in the previous minutes. The still above is from that scene.
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by HeikeW
I agree on Fanny in ACP000dohk and ACP000dohm , in ACP000doi4 ACP000doi5 ACP000doi6 and in ACP000dqdl and on the whole family in ACP000dokk . Blondieยดs back fits and Fannyยดs face and round bodybuild are visible. In addition we see his funny ears ๐ฎ) (Sorry, this is really daft but I couldnยดt contain myself.)
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by HeikeW
And Loika: Ear, back and bodybuild fit. Also Fanny being a little bit afraid of her. See ACP000ds73
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by Boleyn moderator in response to HeikeW's comment.
Thanks for the support, Heike ๐ I like daft: how could I forget this special smiley with the cute schnapps nose ๐ฎ) I used to use it all the time...or how about ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ฎ)
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by HeikeW
๐ ๐ ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
I need a Fanny ๐ expert here. ๐ Does this look like Blondies daugther (edit: son ๐ ) in ACP000dozf with the odd ear and the tuft with the white extension up the back?
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by AnLand moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Please be aware that Fanny is male!
Best comparison with ACP000dqsq - yes, should be Fanny.
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by HeikeW in response to Boleyn's comment.
No, sorry, this ear is not odd, itยดs Fanny ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
Thanks!
hehe...I didn't notice that, a boy with a girls name then ๐Posted
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by Buzharevski scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Looks like Fanny to me too ๐
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by HeikeW
I think Loika proposed in ACP000dohk ACP000dohl ACP000dohm ACP000dohn is still open. I saw that I wrote down the wrong link for the argument that Fanny is afraid of her. It should have been ACP000ds74 ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to HeikeW's comment.
Thanks Heike for bringing this up again.
Antonio could you please check for Loika and Fanny in the mentioned videos just above? Thanks a lot!
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by Boleyn moderator
More to confirm/discuss:
Another Blondie video ACP000dokk with GSInf13 and Fanny
More of Fanny in ACP000doi4 ACP000doi5 ACP000doi6 Face is pretty well seen and the white part on her (edit: his ๐) back above the tuft. No good still though. Blondie goes by in the first clip.
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by lauraklynn moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Agree with Fanny (and GSInf13) in ACP000dokk
ACP000doi4... I agree with Fanny here also. That right ear is quite distinct in addition to the characteristics already listed for him.
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by HeikeW
This is only a reminder for tagging this true love ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
Still more work: Fanny, Blondie and GSInf13 in ACP000dokk still need confirmation.
And for Fanny in ACP000doi4 ACP000doi5 ACP000doi6. Blondie, his mother, is already confirmed in ACP000doi4.
And finally Loika and Fanny in ACP000dohk ACP000dohl ACP000dohm ACP000dohn
Thanks!
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by Buzharevski scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Tagged ๐
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by Boleyn moderator in response to Buzharevski's comment.
Thanks Antonio!
What about the first two lines in my last post? ๐Posted
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by Buzharevski scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.
Thanks for pointing these out! Tagged ๐
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by Boleyn moderator
Great, thanks, and un**starred ๐
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