Maggie/Ollie

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  Hi everyone,

  here all the videos I found about Maggie or Ollie, sorted by chronological order.
  Some of the videos from Ollie and Chibi have a question mark because in the beginning we thought that there was only one female with a small ventral infant, but now we know that there are a 5th mom. So we can not be sure if is Ollie in these videos or the 5th female.

  Anyway everything fits with our proposal about that Maggie and Ollie are the same, even in some of the last videos of "Maggie" we can see a prominent belly 😉

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054hk 2013 2 19 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005c2i 2013 3 10 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005c2j 2013 3 10 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005byv 2013 3 19 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005e8s 2013 3 25 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005e8t 2013 3 25 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005e8u 2013 3 25 Maggie

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00059h7 2013 4 5 Maggie / CDFem06

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00059h8 2013 4 5 Maggie / CDFem06

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005eee 2013 4 18 Maggie/CDFem01

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005edm 2013 4 19 Maggie?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005edn 2013 4 19 Maggie?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005edo 2013 4 19 Maggie (prominent belly)

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005edp 2013 4 19 Maggie (prominent belly)

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005a95 2013 6 7 Maggie/CDFem02

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005a96 2013 6 7 Maggie/CDFem02

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0005ecz 2013 6 12 Maggie

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  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054uj 2013 10 4 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054uk 2013 10 4 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054ul 2013 10 4 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054um 2013 10 4 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054uf 2013 10 4 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00058d1 2013 12 6 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00058bt 2013 12 6 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP000587x 2013 12 8 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054ef 2013 12 18 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00055si 2014 1 10 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00054c3 2014 1 10 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00055tx 2014 1 14 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004zr0 2014 1 18 Ollie and Chibi/CDFem9

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004zqc 2014 1 22 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP0004xj7 2014 2 1 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  http://talk.chimpandsee.org/#/subjects/ACP00058ws 2014 3 29 Ollie and Chibi? Or 5th female?

  I think that we all agree that Maggie and Ollie are the same chimp, right?

  Now, we have a problem!! which name should we keep?? Maybe we can use a composed name, as "Maggie-Ollie"

  What do you think?

  Posted September 8, 2015 8:52 AM

• by jwidness moderator

  Yes, I think we all agree Maggie and Ollie are the same chimp. I'm not sure what to do about the name, but Maggie-Ollie seems quite a mouthful. I think my preference would be to either choose just one of the names, or to merge them into something like Mollie.

  About the 5th mom -- I'm making a new thread about her, should be up in a little while. The short version is that I think every video you posted here of either Ollie or the 5th mom is actually Ollie.

  Posted September 8, 2015 3:45 PM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  Let's wait what the others think about the name.

  Posted September 8, 2015 3:56 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  I have a clear preference for the naming: Maggie for the female, Ollie for her baby. (But, I can live with every other decision.)

  I am very happy that we could agree on this match. 😃 😃 😃 Especially after this discussion before and the clear warning from @MimiA to not assume that this could happen, I debated quite some time whether I will actually propose this.

  Posted September 8, 2015 4:13 PM

• by jwidness moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  I thought about something like that for the names, but I worry that it will confuse things to essentially reuse the name Ollie -- we'd have to be very careful to update all the video tags and the spreadsheet, and even then, the older discussion threads (which probably won't be read, but might) will still use Ollie to refer to the mom. Casual users may also not notice that Ollie is now the baby and not the mom. But maybe with CD done, it won't really matter?

  Posted September 8, 2015 4:42 PM

• by Snorticus

  Wow, as a casual user not involved in this long ID process you all have been through but now reading through your notes that two chimps are the same, I had thoughts which you can ignore or not.

  1). Transferring the Ollie name to designate a 2nd chimp would confuse me.

  2). Since Maggie got her name first, but she had a baby and her appearance with her infant (infant who as a new chimp was named Chibi) caused you to think Maggie was a new chimp, the name 'Ollie' was used on an already named chimp, so is an invalid name in my opinion.

  Just my thoughts only, but maybe correct the spreadsheets for you pro-users and leave the older discussion threads for casual users to follow how your ID process changed over time. If PauDG officially updates Maggie to individual video clips tagged Ollie that would show you once thought Maggie was Ollie.

  Posted September 8, 2015 5:22 PM

• by MimiA scientist, moderator

  I agree with @PauDG - Maggie-Ollie for the mom and Chibi for the infant.

  Paula (and anyone else willing) can you retag the videos as #Maggie-Ollie (the maggie and ollie tags can also stay to make things easier) -this way we are also sure not to reuse maggie or ollie in the future.

  i know its not the most elegant name, but for data processing purposes this will be the least confusing solution i think.

  great job everyone!!!

  Posted September 8, 2015 11:14 PM

• by Snorticus

  Just a note - Not sure about other users, but when I see a clip tagged by scientist PauDG it signifies to me that it is the official and final correct tag for the data she is referring to in the clip.

  Posted September 8, 2015 11:54 PM

• by Quia moderator

  Mollie would be cute to mix the two names together, but I think data clarity wins out.

  Posted September 9, 2015 6:42 AM

• by PauDG scientist, moderator

  I am going to add the tag #Maggie-Ollie to the videos that we found from her.

  Thanks everyone for your proposals, they were nice!

  Posted September 9, 2015 8:53 AM