Chimp & See Talk

David--Big male, yellow-grey back with black mark in the middle

  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    I'm positive these guys are the same:

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    ACP000bj8u ACP000bj8w,

    ACP000cok3 ACP000cok4,

    ACP000bmfn ACP000bmfo ACP000bmfp,

    ACP000bjxk ACP000bjxl,

    tagged by @Snorticus @hoothoot @luca-chimp @Dana23 @Mercury82 @Boleyn @Corcaroli @rcooley001 @zoogirl1 @AnLand @Pelo

    Big male, yellow-grey on the back with a weird black mark in the center, bum is pink and looks almost like an anestrous female. I think there's something wrong with the top of his right ear, but it's hard to tell exactly what. Dark face, small beard that comes up over the corners of his mouth, big bald spot on the forehead.

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  • Snorticus by Snorticus

    That back is very distinctive. I agree with your list of matches. He also has an unusual somewhat pointed protrusion under his chin - Possibly some longer hair or a bump?

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

    Interesting! Reminds me of this gorilla (she is a zoo gorilla and it's said to be a harmless growth):

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    I spotted him in one more, but the previews are terrible. ACP000cor9

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    I think he's in ACP000c7sf as well -- right around :08 you can see the mark on his back.

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Yep, I agree with all of these. Looks like a pretty straightforward match. Does anyone else want to weigh in? Otherwise we will confirm it and find a name.

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Okay so it looks we need a name then. 😃 @puddock has been very active so I will ask if he/she would like to name this male.

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  • puddock by puddock

    I'm honoured and very excited to have been asked to name this wonderful chap. Can I suggest David? No special reason (except maybe after David Attenborough, the TV naturalist) but I wanted to choose something gentle after seeing him sitting under that tree listening to the thunder and David seemed to fit.

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Wonderful name, @puddock ! Thank you! 😄 I've added him to the known chimps list.

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  • puddock by puddock

    Woo hoo! Great! Thanks 😃

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    He looks very much like a David to me : )

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    Congrats on your first opportunity to name a chimp @puddock! Good choice!

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  • luca-chimp by luca-chimp

    David (with the suggestion of Attenborough) ...I like that very much 😃 He is so gentle and placid sitting and listening to the nearcoming thunder ...good choice

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  • puddock by puddock

    Thanks very much everyone 😃

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    Looks like David in ACP000blev, tagged by @BenCornelius

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Hi @jwidness - can you please specify which chimp and why you think it's David? Thanks!

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    He's the guy in front of the rolling chimp. Large triangular bald spot, small nose, somewhat curvy protruding brows, grey back, and it looks to me like he's got some kind of discoloration or scarring to his upper lip on the right side of his face.

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Okay, so you mean the second chimp then. The strange discoloration/scarring is distinctive and is visible in confirmed David videos so I would support this suggestion. Any other thoughts?

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    Based on the confirmed back view of David in ACP000cok4, I would assume that he is also the adult male in ACP000cnja. The darker spot is not really seen, but the rest fits very well and I don't know who else is so yellowish gray.

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    Hm, I think David's dark spot should be visible from this angle. To me, it looks like it could be Saor. Compare ACP000cid2

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator in response to jwidness's comment.

    I find the grayness in this male much more yellowish and also more localized. Your screenshot from Saor shows very well that he has an overall gray lower back reaching way to the hips, while David has more a yellowish-gray area on the back. His hair on the sides is dark, not gray.

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  • jwidness by jwidness moderator

    Any more thoughts on ACP000blev?

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  • Boleyn by Boleyn moderator

    I can agree on David as the second chimp in this video. Maureen already confirmed it so that should be ok, right?

    As for the others: I'm not so familiar with the other group at RS and the video is quite dark. So except for the very bald chimp I recognise no one there. I'm at a complete loss regarding this female which obviously carries a ventral infant or is she just hiding anything else on her belly?

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    As far as I can tell, no one has disagreed with David in ACP000blev, so I will tag him there. Not sure about the others...

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator

    I´m not sure about ACP000cnja being David. I agree with @jwidness that the black patch on David´s back would be seen.

    compare the guy in ACP000cnja :

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    with David´s back in ACP000cok4 :

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  • AnLand by AnLand moderator

    The rear of the younger male in ACP000cnja looks like Mutton's in ACP000bj8s and there is with him another adult male with a gray back like the one discussed here. That is not much, but maybe it helps. As for the younger male at least size and body build fits to Mutton as well.

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  • NuriaM by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

    I agree with you Anja, I think those rears belong to the same guy (Mutton). The anal area is distinctively light (compare it with the last individual´s, in the right pic, behind Mutton):

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  • maureenmccarthy by maureenmccarthy scientist, moderator

    Okay, I support Mutton in ACP000cnja and tagged him there. I did not tag the first guy since we are lacking consensus on that.

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