Hasina-Yvette, Linden: Match to GSFem05?

• by AnLand moderator

  @charly03 found this video ACP000d5wt of a bald, gray-backed female with a juvenile offspring close and I am thinking whether it is GSFem05 again. The next video is also already tagged: ACP000d5wu. She has rounded brows and a protruding muzzle. Ears seem undamaged. Lightning is a bit different, but they might be the same.

  

  GSFem05

  

  Posted October 4, 2017 5:39 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  I agree with you @AnLand, these two ladies look the same to me.

  Only the infant 😕 GSInf05 looks a big bigger to me, but we don´t see much of the infant in ACP000d5wt (but the arm looks quite long, like a big infant´s or a young juvenile´s anyway) .

  I support this match,

  more thoughts?

  Posted October 5, 2017 7:39 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Sorry, I'm not 100% sure about this match. The new videos don't provide much detail and I can't make up my mind.

  I can't tell many details why I'm not sure but I miss the "blond" bunch of hair that GSFem05 has around her neck. Maybe it's just not seen in the new vids?
  Also the size of the juvenile seems really odd. GSFem05's offspring seems to be rather independent so I'm wondering why it's beeing carried here.

  Posted October 5, 2017 12:47 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

  Thanks @Boleyn for weighing in. It´s a pity that we can´t get to see her right ear well, to see if it so big and points out so much like GSFem05´s.

  She gets a temp ID: GSFem05b 😃

  Posted October 6, 2017 6:35 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  ACP000da9q - here is another one that looks similar - wide face, wavy brows, baldness, ears are OK. Big juvenile. The video is quite dark, so it will be hard to make any decision based on that.

  Face view of the female.

  

  Face view of the juvenile - light face, only slightly rounded brows, quite bald

  

  Posted October 7, 2017 7:19 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Although it's quite a dark video I'm more convinced that this actually is GSFem05. We can see the yellowish hair around her neck and the big right ear is visible towards the end of the clip and in the posted image.

  The juvenile has also big sticking out ears. Also the juvenile in the confirmed GSFem05 pic has big ears and quite a bald head. The face seems to be quite dark though. I think we have to consider the very different lighting conditions here and it might actually be the same juvenile.

  

  Posted October 7, 2017 3:08 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

  I agree with you that she could be GSFem05 and her infant (juv). These are the videos where I´m pretty sure that we see GSFem05:

  ACP000dabc

  ACP000da7z

  ACP000da9q

  ACP000da9s

  ACP000d9vc

  ACP000d9ve

  The infant´s size fit, and I think that this new infant is a female like GSInf05 (but this I cannot guarantee).

  What do you think @AnLand, do you agree with @Boleyn and with me?

  Posted October 9, 2017 6:25 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  I am not sure which is the correct thread, but @biryani thinks that this ACP000d61e is GSFem05 and infant again.

  Posted October 17, 2017 5:44 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  @NuriaM these videos you mentioned in your last posting here ( ACP000dabc, ACP000da7z, ACP000da9q, ACP000da9s, ACP000d9vc, ACP000d9ve) are all from the same day June 10, 2013 and might be a continuous sequence. I am not sure from your posting to what video are you comparing it in your question. I guess to the February 3, 2013 sequence, right? I am discussing this.

  These are all videos found from this day (from the sorted google doc and they all seem to be GSFem05 and infant:

  ACP000d6rv
  ACP000d6rw
  ACP000d6rx
  ACP000d6ry
  ACP000d690
  ACP000d6ai
  ACP000d6am
  ACP000d6ty
  ACP000d6ep
  ACP000d6es
  ACP000d6ox
  ACP000d6d3
  ACP000d6cp
  ACP000d6ct
  ACP000d5v2
  ACP000d6c5
  ACP000d6c6
  ACP000d6s5
  ACP000d5wq
  ACP000d6t0
  ACP000d6t2
  ACP000d6t4
  ACP000d6t6
  ACP000d61e
  ACP000d6sf
  ACP000d6si
  ACP000d6b7
  ACP000d6or
  ACP000d6k1
  ACP000d6gx
  ACP000d65d
  ACP000d6i6
  ACP000d5wf
  ACP000d6do
  ACP000d6dq
  ACP000d64e
  ACP000d6db

  And I also think that these video all show the same female with infant. The baldness, sticking out ears (especially the right one), gray back, bald and light-faced infant (+ its size) fit very well.

  Posted October 17, 2017 6:03 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  I also think that we can rule here GSFem05b out. Looking closer at ACP000d5wt (and watching the other videos from this day), we see that she is not carrying the juvenile. It's the arm of the juvenile, but the little foot of an infant (fully seen in ACP000d5w6). I am pretty sure that this is all the same family and GSFem05 does not have a smaller infant.

  All videos from this day (from the spreadsheet):

  ACP000d5wt
  ACP000d5wu
  ACP000d5wv
  ACP000d6ae
  ACP000d5w6
  ACP000d5w8
  ACP000d6uw
  ACP000d6uy

  Posted October 17, 2017 6:13 PM

• by Boleyn moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  Yes to ruling out GSFem05b. I already said earlier that I don't think it's her 😃

  Posted October 19, 2017 11:32 AM

• by Batfan

  Seen again in ACP000d9o5. I'm afraid I did a bit of hacking to find the time stamp for this sequence ( ACP000d9o1 ) and it follows on from ACP000dabc, which has already identified as probably being GSFem05 (by NuriaM, 10 days ago). How cute is this youngster!

  Posted October 19, 2017 11:57 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Thanks @AnLand for your compilation. Yes, the two series that I compare are June 10, 2013 and February 3, 2013 (GSFem05)

  @Batfan, you mean that you would agree with this series having GSFem05? (June 10, 2013)

  ACP000dabc
  ACP000da7z
  ACP000d9o5
  ACP000da9q
  ACP000da9s
  ACP000d9vc
  ACP000d9ve
  ACP000d9sm

  Posted October 20, 2017 7:23 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  More of GSFem05 and GSInf05 (not juv05... 😃):
  ACP000d9vv and ACP000d649 found by @Batfan and ACP000d61j and ACP000d5yr
  I think this one shows them as well: ACP000d60m

  I'm having a great afternoon: countless chimp videos and some very nice a/o funny videos as well. I love C&S 😄

  Posted December 2, 2017 4:10 PM

• by AnLand moderator

  Please be aware that the young juvenile seen with GSFem05 is GSInf05 (even it's a quite big infant). GSJuv05 is a bigger male juvenile seen with Gaia (GSFem01) and GSinf01. Differences in body size exclude here any match.

  (It's confusing, but at least at the moment there is no connection between them.)

  Posted December 2, 2017 10:08 PM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Oh I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for pointing me there @AnLand! Changed!

  Posted December 3, 2017 1:47 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

  Thanks ladies!

  Posted December 4, 2017 7:52 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

  Heidi, I think you are right about ACP000d60m : their faces look the same, baldpatch, brows, body build. Infants sizes fit too:

  ACP000d60n : (1/17/2013)

  

  GSFem05 in ACP000d6ai (2/3/2013)

  

  if we all agree, it would mean a match :-9

  Posted December 4, 2017 7:59 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  I thought we already had a match between the individuals on June 10, 2013 and February 3, 2013 (see page 1), but ruling out GSFem05b because she has a small infant and a juvenile around. Did we rule that out?

  Posted December 5, 2017 10:11 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  nope, this discussion is still open (**). But I still agree that the chimps in the videos of June = GSFem05 & GSInf05 (February):

  in other words:

  FEBRUARY: GSFem05 & GSInf05 in 2/3/2013:

  ACP000d6ay
  ACP000d6rv
  ACP000d6rw
  ACP000d6rx
  ACP000d6ry
  ACP000d68y
  ACP000d690
  ACP000d6ai
  ACP000d6am
  ACP000d6tw
  ACP000d6ty
  ACP000d6ep
  ACP000d6es
  ACP000d6ox
  ACP000d6lj
  ACP000d6d2
  ACP000d6d3
  ACP000d5xx
  ACP000d5xz
  ACP000d6cp
  ACP000d6ct
  ACP000d6cv
  ACP000d6tg
  ACP000d5v2
  ACP000d5v3
  ACP000d5v4
  ACP000d6px
  ACP000d677
  ACP000d678
  ACP000d6c5
  ACP000d6c6
  ACP000d6c8
  ACP000d6s5
  ACP000d5wq
  ACP000d6t0
  ACP000d6t2
  ACP000d6t4
  ACP000d6t6
  ACP000d61e
  ACP000d6sf
  ACP000d6si
  ACP000d6n6
  ACP000d6b5
  ACP000d6b7
  ACP000d6f6
  ACP000d6or
  ACP000d6ot
  ACP000d6ou
  ACP000d6k1
  ACP000d6k3
  ACP000d6nu
  ACP000d6gx
  ACP000d6gy
  ACP000d6p0
  ACP000d65d
  ACP000d65e
  ACP000d6i6
  ACP000d6md
  ACP000d5wf
  ACP000d6do
  ACP000d6dq
  ACP000d6jr
  ACP000d5yp
  ACP000d5yr
  ACP000d5ys
  ACP000d64e
  ACP000d6q5
  ACP000d6db
  ACP000d649
  ACP000d61j
  ACP000d6gt
  ACP000d6uq
  ACP000d6rm

  =

  JUNE: 6/10/2013

  ACP000d9vv
  ACP000da4g
  ACP000da4n
  ACP000da8h
  ACP000da8j
  ACP000dabc
  ACP000da7x
  ACP000da7z
  ACP000d9o3
  ACP000d9o5
  ACP000da9q
  ACP000da9s
  ACP000d9vc
  ACP000d9ve
  ACP000d9sm

  Additionally, I agree with:

  =

  JANUARY: 1/17/2013

  ACP000d60m

  do we all agree with this last match?

  thanks 😃

  Posted December 6, 2017 8:50 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Oh so many videos, so little time 😃

  Yes I do agree but that's already clear I think since I suggested it ... 8)

  Here's another one I just had for classification: ACP000d6rm from the February series.

  Posted December 6, 2017 11:32 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Boleyn's comment.

  thanks 😃

  Posted December 7, 2017 6:06 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  This video from February just popped up for classification: ACP000d5y5 Looks like our well known duo 😃

  Posted December 13, 2017 11:12 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Thank you Heidi 😗

  Posted December 14, 2017 6:33 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Hey guys, as I can see, we all agree about this match, and I would like to propose @Batfan, who only named one chimp (Paddy) at GS and participated in this thread.

  @Batfan, will you give us a name for GSFem05? 😃

  Posted December 19, 2017 6:23 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  Hi! I got irritated today by the light face coloration of the juvenile in the videos from June 10, 2013, and - I can't really explain and I am probably totally wrong, but could some check please the videos from this day and tell me what you think of the left hand of the juvenile? I can never see any fingers. I am thinking of course about GSJuv07, but this is not really a match proposal. I just think there is something strange when the juvenile walks and hold on to the tree ... And mom comforts the little one a lot ... I don't know. Could somebody check and tell me what you see?

  ACP000d9vv
  ACP000da4g /
  ACP000da4n
  ACP000da8h /
  ACP000da8j
  ACP000dabc /
  ACP000dabf
  ACP000da7x /
  ACP000da7z
  ACP000d9o3 /
  ACP000d9o5
  ACP000da9q /
  ACP000da9s
  ACP000da1p
  ACP000d9vc /
  ACP000d9ve
  ACP000d9sm

  Posted December 19, 2017 5:23 PM

• by Snorticus in response to AnLand's comment.

  ACP000da7z - I agree with Anja that left hand of this juvenile is not all there. It looks to at least to be missing some fingers. I don't see a proper hand at the end of the left arm.

  When walking in the other clips the balance seems off because the left hand is not good for support. As Anja noted, mother seems mindful of the juvenile's issues.

  ACP000dabc - Better seen at beginning of this clip. Looks like a curved pale finger?

  

  Posted December 20, 2017 12:58 AM

• by Snorticus in response to AnLand's comment.

  GSJuv07 - agree that this should be considered as the same chimp as the June 10, 2013 juvenile. The odd shape of the left hand looks similar.

  Both chimps also have a dent in the ridge of the left ear. See end of ACP000da9q - and end of ACP000dzoy

  ACP000dzow - unusual shape of left hand.

  

  Posted December 20, 2017 2:17 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Absolutely! this juvenile has only one finger (thumb?), like GSJuv07. I believe we have a match!

  GSInf05 = GSJuv07

  In ACP000da1p , in slow motion you can see at the very beginning the difference between his (I´m pretty sure it´s a he) normal right hand and his injured left one.

  Thanks so much Anja, good eye!

  We are going to need another namer for GSJuv07 😕...Anja, you have found GSJuv07 here and discovered the injury in GSInf05, which has been critical to find this match, what do you think? 😃

  Posted December 20, 2017 7:24 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  I would love to name the juvenile (really, a lot), but could you first check the other dates for our proposed match here. I believe the juveniles in January and February do have a left hand. Could it have been happened later or do we need to reconsider the overall match?

  (Sorry, to question everything so late. I just did not see this earlier.)

  Posted December 20, 2017 7:59 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to AnLand's comment.

  Yes Anja, you are right, the juveniles in January and February have left hands:

  ACP000d60n in January:

  

  and in ACP000d6ep , February, you can see it too at sec. 7.

  I still believe that this could be GSJuv07; this is a very distinctive injury, with only one finger left in both cases (GSJuv07, recorded in July and the juvenile in June).

  More thoughts?

  Posted December 20, 2017 9:12 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Hmm....does this now mean that the couple from January / February are not the same as the one in June OR is this a fresh injury that happened in the time between?

  I start to doubt that it is the same couple although the mothers look very much alike. I think there might be some differences though, June's face seems to be more triangular and her hair darker than Jan/Fev female. But then it could just be the different lighting situations. The juvenile really does look different, the bright face is not consistent with the dark face of GSInf05 and the young with the injury seems to be smaller...

  Video ACP000d5xz from February

  ACP000da4n from June
  

  January/February (Another explanation could be that this juvenile here is not GSJuv05 but another chimp who happens to be here coincidentially.)
  

  June
  

  Posted December 20, 2017 6:01 PM

• by Snorticus in response to Boleyn's comment.

  The June chimps look a bit different to me on 2nd viewing but I'm still not absolutely sure whether we are looking at 4 chimps or just the same 2.

  I would say the Female looks to have whiter side whiskers in the June clips, the Infant's face looks lighter and pinker, & has the left hand issue of course.

  Posted December 20, 2017 9:24 PM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

  thanks guys!

  So as we are not 100% sure, I will split them in two groups:

  • FIRST GROUP:

  JANUARY: 1/17/2013

  ACP000d60m / ACP000d60n

  =

  FEBRUARY: GSFem05 & GSInf05 in 2/3/2013:

  ACP000d6ay
  ACP000d6rv
  ACP000d6rw
  ACP000d6rx
  ACP000d6ry
  ACP000d68y
  ACP000d690
  ACP000d6ai
  ACP000d6am
  ACP000d6tw
  ACP000d6ty
  ACP000d6ep
  ACP000d6es
  ACP000d6ox
  ACP000d6lj
  ACP000d6d2
  ACP000d6d3
  ACP000d5xx
  ACP000d5xz
  ACP000d6cp
  ACP000d6ct
  ACP000d6cv
  ACP000d6tg
  ACP000d5v2
  ACP000d5v3
  ACP000d5v4
  ACP000d6px
  ACP000d677
  ACP000d678
  ACP000d6c5
  ACP000d6c6
  ACP000d6c8
  ACP000d6s5
  ACP000d5wq
  ACP000d6t0
  ACP000d6t2
  ACP000d6t4
  ACP000d6t6
  ACP000d61e
  ACP000d6sf
  ACP000d6si
  ACP000d6n6
  ACP000d6b5
  ACP000d6b7
  ACP000d6f6
  ACP000d6or
  ACP000d6ot
  ACP000d6ou
  ACP000d6k1
  ACP000d6k3
  ACP000d6nu
  ACP000d6gx
  ACP000d6gy
  ACP000d6p0
  ACP000d65d
  ACP000d65e
  ACP000d6i6
  ACP000d6md
  ACP000d5wf
  ACP000d6do
  ACP000d6dq
  ACP000d6jr
  ACP000d5yp
  ACP000d5yr
  ACP000d5ys
  ACP000d64e
  ACP000d6q5
  ACP000d6db
  ACP000d649
  ACP000d61j
  ACP000d6gt
  ACP000d6uq
  ACP000d6rm

  • SECOND GROUP:

  JUNE: 6/10/2013

  ACP000d9vv
  ACP000da4g
  ACP000da4n
  ACP000da8h
  ACP000da8j
  ACP000dabc
  ACP000da7x
  ACP000da7z
  ACP000d9o3
  ACP000d9o5
  ACP000da9q
  ACP000da9s
  ACP000d9vc
  ACP000d9ve
  ACP000d9sm

  =

  JULY: GSJuv07 in 7/25/2013

  ACP000dzow
  ACP000dzoy

  Posted December 21, 2017 7:40 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

  FIRST GROUP:

  left GSFem05 (ACP000d6ay) , right ACP000d60n :

  

  SECOND GROUP:

  left GSJuv07 ( ACP000dzow ), right ACP000dabc :

  

  Besides, I will open a new discussion for GSJuv07 here

  What do you guys think?

  Posted December 21, 2017 7:56 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  I just wanted to add (and will add to the other thread, too) that we also have an accompanying adult for GSJuv07 already: ACP000dzp1. I see clear similarities and maybe that helps us here. (I don't think that this is a male, it should be the mother.)

  Posted December 21, 2017 10:35 AM

• by AnLand moderator

  Oh, one more thing for the discussion: @NuriaM said above that the juvenile from June is almost certainly a boy. GSInf05 is recorded as female in the prospective list. (I don't disagree with both assessments.) How sure are we of this? This would definitely exclude a match!

  Posted December 21, 2017 10:56 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  Thanks Anja!

  So this four-fold match is definitely excluded-

  I need two namers for the first group,

  Heidi,we would have never "seen the light" without you... would you like to name the first group (January + February)? Who would you like to name for GSInf05?

  and we are still waiting for @Batfan to name GSFem05 😉

  Thanks!

  Posted December 22, 2017 6:15 AM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Thanks Nuria, that's too much honour. The light has clearly been shed by Anja, I just tried to clear my mind about the whole thing 😃

  But nevertheless I do have somebody in mind to name that girl but I would like to wait some days with asking. I'd like to know if the virus really got them or if it's just a straw fire 😃 We're not in a hurry, with Christmas coming and all, right? I'll keep you posted!

  Posted December 22, 2017 2:31 PM

• by Boleyn moderator

  More of GSFem05 form January: ACP000d6ii and ACP000d6i0 and from February: ACP000d6gk ACP000d6gq

  and one from the June chimps: ACP000da1o

  Posted December 28, 2017 2:52 PM

• by Batfan

  Hi. Many thanks for offering me the chance to name another chimp. Apologies for the delay in replying but I've been away over the festive season. My suggestion is Hasina - which, according to the website I looked at, means good in Swahili, beauty in Arabic and strong in Hebrew. Happy to rethink if you don't like it. A Happy New year to you all.

  Posted January 2, 2018 1:57 PM

• by Boleyn moderator

  Lovely name @Batfan, I like it very much!

  Posted January 2, 2018 2:05 PM

• by Snorticus in response to Batfan's comment.

  Hasina is quite nice for her!

  Posted January 3, 2018 12:55 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Batfan's comment.

  Hasina is so beautiful, and has a wonderful meaning...thanks a lot!!

  Posted January 9, 2018 7:39 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  I would like to ask @camonaco for a name for GSInf05...I don´t know how active you have been lately, but I think it would be a good motivation for you to stay with us 😃

  So would you like to name GSInf05, Hasina´s big infant? Here you can see them:

  

  Posted January 12, 2018 9:57 AM

• by Snorticus

  Hasina - ACP000d5wg - found by @Corcaroli - confirmed in ACP000d5wf

  Posted January 18, 2018 1:27 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Snorticus's comment.

  great!

  Posted January 18, 2018 9:41 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator

  so @camonaco doesn´t seem to be active anymore, what a pity 😦

  we still need a name for GSInf05 (Hasina-Yvette´s big infant), and I woulld like to ask @Singing_Ginger for help... 😃

  Posted April 16, 2018 7:05 AM

• by Singing_Ginger

  Thanks for asking me. I would like to suggest Linden as a name for the young chimp.

  Posted April 17, 2018 8:40 AM

• by AnLand moderator in response to Singing_Ginger's comment.

  Very cool! (After yesterday's women's winner of the Boston Marathon? That was amazing!) Even if not, it's a great name.

  Posted April 17, 2018 10:02 AM

• by NuriaM scientist, moderator in response to Singing_Ginger's comment.

  Thanks so much, Linden is a beautiful name 😃

  Posted April 18, 2018 6:22 AM